[R-sig-ME] Mixed mutlinomial regression for count data with overdisperion & zero-inflation
bbolker at gmail.com
Tue May 17 00:41:04 CEST 2016
Stéphanie Périquet <stephanie.periquet at ...> writes:
> Dear list members,
> First sorry for this very long first post …
That's OK. I'm only going to answer part of it, because it's long.
> I am looking for advises to fit a mixed multinomial regression on count
> data that are overdispersed and zero-inflated. My question is to evaluate
> the effect of season and moonlight on diet composition of bat-eared foxes.
> My dataset is composed of 14 possible prey item, 20 individual foxes
> observed, 4 seasons and a moon illumination index ranging from 0 to 1 by
> 0.1 implements (considered as a continuous variable even if takes only 11
> values). For each unique combination of individual*season*moon, I thus has
> 14 lines, one for the count of each prey item.
> From what I gathered, it would be possible to use
> a standard glmm model of
> the following form to answer my question (ie a multinomial regression):
> (1|id), family=poisson)
Yes, but I don't know if this will account for the possible dependence
*among* prey types.
> where count is the number of prey of a given type recorded eaten;
> item is the prey type;
> logduration is the log(total time observed for a given combination of
> obs is a unique id for each combination of individual*season*moon,
> so each
> obs value regroups 14 lines (one for each prey item) with the same
> id is a unique id for each line to account for overdispersion (as
> quasi-poisson or negative binomial distributions are not implemented in
> lme4, Elston et al. 2001).
Seems about right.
There is glmer.nb now, but you might not want it; it tends to
be slower and more fragile, and you'd still have to deal with
> However, they are a lot of zeros in my data i.e. lot of prey items has
> never been observed being eaten for mane combinations of
That doesn't *necessarily* mean you need zero-inflation. Large
numbers of zeros might just reflect low probabilities, not ZI per se.
> Following Ben Bolker wiki (http://glmm.wikidot.com/faq) I summarize that I
> should use of the following methods to answer my question
> - · glmmADMB, with family=nbinom
> - · MCMCglmm, with family=zipoisson
> - · "expectation-maximization (EM) algorithm" in lme4
Note there's a marginally newer version at
Another, newer choice is glmmTMB (available on Github) with
> Here come the questions:
> 1. 1. Is it correct to assume that I could use the same model
> in glmmADMB or MCMCglmm to answer my question ?
glmmADMB or glmmTMB, yes: I'm not sure about MCMCglmm
> 2. I then wouldn't need the (1|id) to correct for overdispersion as both
> methods would already account for it, correct?
That's right, I think.
> 3. I am totally new to MCMCglmm, so ...
I'm going to let Jarrod Hadfield, or someone else, answer this one.
> 4. 4. If I were to use the EM algorithm method,
> how should the results
> be interpreted?
The result is composed of two models -- a 'binary' (structural zero vs
non-structural zero) and a 'conditional' (count) part.
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