[R-sig-eco] A beginner's question to constrained ordinations with vegan
Tim Richter-Heitmann
trichter at uni-bremen.de
Thu Oct 9 14:26:09 CEST 2014
Hi there,
i have a typical ecological problem (modelling abiotic parameters to
bacterial abundances - i have 9 of these explanatory variables (but also
a variety of spatial and biotic parameters, who may serve as
explanators), many bacterial species and hundreds of sites).
My species gradients seem to be very long in the DCA, so i began my
analysis with CCA modelling all 9 abiotic parameters to the species
matrix, and using the triplot as a final result.
However, i have two very distinct bacterial communities in the DCA with
a huge gap on the x-axis between them (one community is defining 90% of
all samples, and the smaller one is found in 10% of the samples), so i
was fiddling around with performing rda's
(which i believe is recommended for small species gradients) on the two
subsets.
Now, a colleague was actually recommending me to use unconstrained
ordinations like PCA and use envfit to fit the explanatory variables later.
ord.OTU <- rda(OTU)
ef <- envfit(ord.OTU, Env, perm=999)
instead of
ord.OTU <- rda(OTU~., Env)
However, i fail to grasp the ideas and differences behind and between
the two approaches - in my case, an envfitted PCA looked different than
the "equivalent" RDA. As far as i have been taught, constrained
ordination techniques like RDA or CCA search for the best explaining
variables in the direct gradients, so i would use those for problems
like mine per default. So, what are the benefits in using the
unconstrained techniques first?
Since i am new to the field, i lack the experience to evaluate this. Any
advice would make me a very happy student.
Thank you very much, and my apologies if i have asked something that was
asked many times before. In fact, i tried to find the answer online, but
wasnt too successful.
--
Tim Richter-Heitmann
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