[R-pkg-devel] Update timing of machines on CRAN?

[@@drew m@iii@g oii robbi@s@@me]

I do think that its a reasonable ask that the test machines be running operating systems within their vendor support periods.

-Andrew Robbins
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Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 11:34 AM
To: Tomas Kalibera <tomas.kalibera using gmail.com>
Cc: R Package Development <r-package-devel using r-project.org>
Subject: Re: [R-pkg-devel] Update timing of machines on CRAN?

Unfortunately, it is often important for us to pay attention to what
machines our code is being tested on.

I think the point is more or less that we often find ourselves trying to
make super small adjustments for machines and builds that are used by a
number of users in the single digits. The vast majority of R programmers
are not on these arcane machines. We should strive to support the vast
majority of users who use *fairly* standard distributions such as Mac,
Windows, Ubuntu, Debian, and maybe even Centos. Getting a note for a
release which has reach EOL can be confusing and tough to know how to
handle.

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:17 AM Tomas Kalibera <tomas.kalibera using gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> On 12/4/23 15:44, SHIMA Tatsuya wrote:
> > Thanks for your answer.
> >
> > Unlike Windows Server, which has a long support period, Fedora's
> > support period is usually about one year, so it is surprising that the
> > old Fedora continues to be used.
> > And, unlike Windows, Linux uses the distribution standard packages for
> > builds, which causes problems like the current Fedora machine that
> > continues to use the old Rust.
>
> The configuration currently at different CRAN machines is just a sample
> of what your users might have, just an example of a setting packages
> should be able to deal with. Some users might also still have FC36, some
> might have another Linux distribution (possibly still supported), which
> has older software than that.
>
> I wouldn't recommend spending time tracking which version of which
> software CRAN systems currently happen to have, but rather making sure
> packages can deal with different versions (possibly with some in a
> restricted way, possibly making some hard requirements when necessary).
>
> Best
> Tomas
> >
> > Hope to see an update soon. Thanks to the staff for maintaining the
> > infrastructure.
> >
> > Best,
> > Tatsuya
> >
> > On 2023/12/01 23:43, Uwe Ligges wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 01.12.2023 13:28, SHIMA Tatsuya wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I maintain the prqlr package that uses rustc for compiling, so I
> >>> regularly check the version of Rust on CRAN.
> >>> And I have noticed that the Rust version of Fedora has been stagnant
> >>> for the past few months and was wondering why, but upon
> >>> investigation I realized that this is because Fedora on CRAN is
> >>> currently Fedora 36 (out of support in May).
> >>> <https://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_flavors.html>
> >>>
> >>> It was quite a surprise to me that out of support Fedora is being
> >>> used, but what is the normal cycle for machines on CRAN to be
> >>> updated? And do we have any way of knowing that schedule?
> >>
> >> It depends on the maintainer who cares about these machine, the
> >> institution where it is hosted, the availability of technical staff,
> >> and the technical pressure.
> >>
> >> I could not even say when the machines I maintain will be updated.
> >> On one version of the retired winbuilder severs we kept the same OS
> >> version for almost 10 years.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Uwe Ligges
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Tatsuya
> >>>
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