[R-pkg-devel] CRAN student assistants

[David Hugh-Jones]

Joris,

I have no dog in this fight, but I think you should cool down a bit. Hadley
explained why he thought these people were students: it’s the adjective
studentische in the job description. I don’t think he meant, or implied,
any disrespect to the individuals concerned. He is entitled to ask in
public about CRAN’s process, which is of concern to everybody who deals
with CRAN. Lastly, accusations of “gaslighting” are over the top, and
adding heat to this debate.

If you think it’s wrong to record  correspondence with CRAN in public, you
may have a point – that is a separate topic. I would lean that CRAN
responses ought not to be considered confidential, but perhaps identifying
information should be shared with care. These are quite subtle issues, so
again, thoughtful discussion would be great.

David


On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 18:41, Joris Meys <Joris.Meys using ugent.be> wrote:

> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 4:59 PM Hadley Wickham <h.wickham using gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am most interested in understanding what level of
> > discretion CRAN's "Studentischer administrativer Mitarbeiter" have to
> > critique the implementation of R packages
>
>
> Ing. is the german title for "Engineer". You made her name public in the
> repositories of your own organisation. So at least have the decency to
> google her before you question her competence in public. Your obvious lack
> of understanding about the Austrian education system is no excuse for
> questioning her competence.
>
>
> > I mean no disrespect towards the CRAN maintainers
> >
>
> The respectful thing to do, is to discuss this IN PRIVATE with Dr. Ligges
> at the next R foundation in case you really need to know. The unrespectful
> thing to do, is to gaslight on a public mailing list to the point you make
> others, like Alejandro, question the competence of CRAN maintainers.
>
>
> >
> > I do recognise that my question "Who are they?" may have been
> > perceived as overly intrusive.
>
>
> The word is "bewildering", as you know their names, and your organisation
> shared personally identifying information (i.e. her email address which
> includes the institute she WORKS for) on their github repo.
>
>
> > To clarify: I don't want to know names
> > or other personally identifying information, but I would like to know
> > in general terms how many there are, and what backgrounds they have.
> >
>
> That's again something you can ask Dr. Ligges IN PRIVATE at the next R
> foundation meeting, and not a subject for an open mailing list. And after
> this exchange, I would totally understand if he refuses to answer that.
>
>
> > Similarly, I don't want to know how much they are paid, just whether
> > or not they are volunteers or employees.
> >
>
> The budgetary arrangements between a university and their _employee_ are of
> no concern to the mailing list. Asking about such arrangements for an
> employee that's not yours, is considered highly impolite in Europe.
>
> RStudio has been very vocal on numerous occasions about standards they
> hold. I would appreciate if the chief scientist of RStudio abides by those
> standards.
>
> Thank you.
>
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