[R-wiki] R Wiki: What do you want me to do now about tips?

Fri Jun 9 16:07:37 CEST 2006

Paul Johnson wrote:
> I've just run the alltips program and did generate a big html file.
> 
> http://pj.freefaculty.org/R/alltips.html
> 
> That piece of programming is very amazing to me. How in the heck can a
> stat program on my laptop cobble together a web page?  If R had a
> function to write a file onto a remote site , this could be completely
> automated.
> 
> I could post something like that on a regular basis. That certainly
> proves it is possible.
> 
> So far, I've noticed some problems.
> 
> 1. Links inside alltips.html don't work.  They point internally to
> places in the Wiki, not to anchors in alltips itself.
> 
> 2. Is there a way to have numbers generated for these tips?  So that
> we can refer to them by number?
> 
> 3.   The tips appear without logical sequencing in alltips.html.  I
> wish there were a way to designate the placement.  I don't expect
> there is a Wiki solution for that, however.

Yes, this is a first draft certainly. Also, the various styles must be 
refined (R code prints too small on my machine).

> 
> In the next week, I will try to learn how to input stuff into the WIki
> and I'll also try to make a list of things in Rtips that I think are
> most valuable.

One solution would be to select a list of relevant tips and sort them. 
This would certainly be possible to do.

PhG

> Honestly, some of the tips I have are pretty old or out of date.
> 
> 
> PJ
> 
> On 6/9/06, Philippe Grosjean <phgrosjean at sciviews.org> wrote:
> 
>>Hello all,
>>
>>First, I would like to answer to Paul Johnson. The decision to separate
>>Rtips into sections and have one page per tip is motivated both by
>>technical reasons (already discussed, a wiki is more efficient with
>>separate small pages than a big one), and for practical reasons. When
>>Rtips remains rather small and managed by one people, like your current
>>version of it, it is much easier to handle in one big page. Now, imagine
>>that the R Wiki tips section gains popularity and that (just imagine!)
>>hundreds of authors write thousands of tips. How would you manage a
>>single web page containing these thousands of tips? How do you find tips
>>related to, say, handling of data frames, in this big page? How will
>>someone with a low-speed Internet connexion get the last tip that he is
>>interested in, from this long page (he has to download all the rest first)?
>>
>>I think that both presentations (several little page versus a single
>>large one) have pros and cons. The suggestion to make a digest of the
>>tips in the R Wiki, as an alternate presentation, makes much sense in
>>this context. Romain François proposed a script for that. A good
>>starting basis to automate the creation of that "Rtips digest". Would
>>you be happy with this solution?
>>
>>Regarding the progress made with the R Wiki. This was also a very busy
>>time for me. I did my best to finish the Wiki engine for the UseR!2006
>>workshop. I still have a couple of aspects to finalize (presentation
>>with the sidebar, the Rdconv --wiki is *almost* done, plus a couple of
>>other details).
>>
>>Anyway, whatever where we are now, we should officially launch the R
>>Wiki next week at the UseR!2006 workshop. A presentation is planned on
>>thursday (see
>>http://www.r-project.org/useR-2006/Abstracts/Grosjean.pdf). It would be
>>also an occasion to recruit other volunteers to help in migrating
>>material to the Wiki. I think that the priority is to write some initial
>>material for the empty sections, like "getting-started:what-is-r",
>>"getting-started:faq" (this is rather easy: it is the wiki version of
>>the various official FAQ documents, but with the possibility to append
>>comments for the wiki users), "getting-started:case-studies",
>>"guides:books". Another priority is to migrate material from the first R
>>Wiki by Detlef Steuer.
>>
>>Thank you to all wiki authors or "migrators". The progress is slower
>>than expected, but we have already achieved a pretty good result, I think.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Philippe
>>
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>>Nick Drew wrote:
>>
>>>Like others, I've been busy and not made the kind of progress
>>>of converting Rtips to the R Wiki that I've wanted to. I had hoped to have
>>>section 1 (Data input/output) done by now, but there is still
>>>1.5 - 1.7 left on that section.
>>>
>>>I'm willing to continue to help with this. I will finish section 1
>>>by  the end of next week. However, I don't see me making
>>>much progress during our warm summer months here in Oregon.
>>>
>>>Perhaps we could generate a list of which sections of
>>>Rtips have been converted. Then others would know where to
>>>continue if they desire.
>>>
>>>~Nick
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: r-sig-wiki-bounces at r-project.org
>>>[mailto:r-sig-wiki-bounces at r-project.org]On Behalf Of Ben Bolker
>>>Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 4:02 AM
>>>To: Paul Johnson
>>>Cc: r-sig-wiki at r-project.org
>>>Subject: Re: [R-wiki] R Wiki: What do you want me to do now about tips?
>>>
>>>
>>>   Having seen no answer thus far:
>>>
>>>    Parts but not all of Rtips have been migrated to the R wiki
>>>(I'd make a wild guess of about 30-50%.)  My personal preference
>>>would be migration.  Apparently DocuWiki doesn't have a "single
>>>page" view, but there was some discussion on the list about how
>>>to run a script etc. to take a snapshot -- see the April archives
>>>and Romain Francois' code at
>>>http://wiki.r-project.org/rwiki/doku.php?id=tips:misc:alltips .
>>>If you were willing (once the migration is complete) to run
>>>this as a script on your server (say daily) and post the results ...
>>>
>>>    Work on the Wiki has slowed down once again (perhaps inevitable
>>>since so many people are busy).  I'd really like to encourage
>>>list-readers to keep at it -- would people be willing to make
>>>some kind of nominal deadline for at least getting the rest
>>>of R-tips moved over/volunteer for sections?
>>>
>>>   cheers
>>>     Ben Bolker
>>>
>>>
>>>Paul Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have this gmail account but can't manage it very well.  Too many
>>>>messages, too many lists, blah, blah...
>>>>
>>>>Anyway, I just noticed several messages in this list debating the
>>>>question of whether I should maintain Rtips or try to migrate the rest
>>>>of the content into the R Wiki.  What is that status now?
>>>>
>>>>My opinion is that some of the things in Rtips are quite seriously
>>>>useful, especially "how to save graphs" and "use predict with
>>>>regression" but many of the things are tidbits that I accumulated for
>>>>one use and never used again.
>>>>
>>>>I do think it is good if users can just view all the tips on a single
>>>>page, as some readers suggested.  The one who said I should keep
>>>>separate content on Rtips seemed to think the big drawback of the Wiki
>>>>was the sub-compartmentlization of information into little pages, and
>>>>there is some truth in that.  But I've seen other Wiki programs that
>>>>could just display all content in a single www post.
>>>>
>>>>I'm sorry I've not been paying attention, but now it is summer and I
>>>>have some time while preparing to teach stats again in the fall, and
>>>>so if you (all) tell me what needs to be done, I will do it.
>>>>
>>>
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