[R-wiki] R Wiki: What do you want me to do now about tips?

Fri Jun 9 15:58:11 CEST 2006

Le 09.06.2006 15:30, Paul Johnson a écrit :
> I've just run the alltips program and did generate a big html file.
>
> http://pj.freefaculty.org/R/alltips.html
>
> That piece of programming is very amazing to me. How in the heck can a
> stat program on my laptop cobble together a web page?  If R had a
> function to write a file onto a remote site , this could be completely
> automated.
>   

Well, this is just a matter of writing a little script, see :
http://www.inlumineconsulting.com:8080/website/scripting.ftp.html

and then calling it from R, using ?system


Romain
> I could post something like that on a regular basis. That certainly
> proves it is possible.
>
> So far, I've noticed some problems.
>
> 1. Links inside alltips.html don't work.  They point internally to
> places in the Wiki, not to anchors in alltips itself.
>
> 2. Is there a way to have numbers generated for these tips?  So that
> we can refer to them by number?
>
> 3.   The tips appear without logical sequencing in alltips.html.  I
> wish there were a way to designate the placement.  I don't expect
> there is a Wiki solution for that, however.
>
>
> In the next week, I will try to learn how to input stuff into the WIki
> and I'll also try to make a list of things in Rtips that I think are
> most valuable.
>
> Honestly, some of the tips I have are pretty old or out of date.
>
>
> PJ
>
> On 6/9/06, Philippe Grosjean <phgrosjean at sciviews.org> wrote:
>   
>> Hello all,
>>
>> First, I would like to answer to Paul Johnson. The decision to separate
>> Rtips into sections and have one page per tip is motivated both by
>> technical reasons (already discussed, a wiki is more efficient with
>> separate small pages than a big one), and for practical reasons. When
>> Rtips remains rather small and managed by one people, like your current
>> version of it, it is much easier to handle in one big page. Now, imagine
>> that the R Wiki tips section gains popularity and that (just imagine!)
>> hundreds of authors write thousands of tips. How would you manage a
>> single web page containing these thousands of tips? How do you find tips
>> related to, say, handling of data frames, in this big page? How will
>> someone with a low-speed Internet connexion get the last tip that he is
>> interested in, from this long page (he has to download all the rest first)?
>>
>> I think that both presentations (several little page versus a single
>> large one) have pros and cons. The suggestion to make a digest of the
>> tips in the R Wiki, as an alternate presentation, makes much sense in
>> this context. Romain François proposed a script for that. A good
>> starting basis to automate the creation of that "Rtips digest". Would
>> you be happy with this solution?
>>
>> Regarding the progress made with the R Wiki. This was also a very busy
>> time for me. I did my best to finish the Wiki engine for the UseR!2006
>> workshop. I still have a couple of aspects to finalize (presentation
>> with the sidebar, the Rdconv --wiki is *almost* done, plus a couple of
>> other details).
>>
>> Anyway, whatever where we are now, we should officially launch the R
>> Wiki next week at the UseR!2006 workshop. A presentation is planned on
>> thursday (see
>> http://www.r-project.org/useR-2006/Abstracts/Grosjean.pdf). It would be
>> also an occasion to recruit other volunteers to help in migrating
>> material to the Wiki. I think that the priority is to write some initial
>> material for the empty sections, like "getting-started:what-is-r",
>> "getting-started:faq" (this is rather easy: it is the wiki version of
>> the various official FAQ documents, but with the possibility to append
>> comments for the wiki users), "getting-started:case-studies",
>> "guides:books". Another priority is to migrate material from the first R
>> Wiki by Detlef Steuer.
>>
>> Thank you to all wiki authors or "migrators". The progress is slower
>> than expected, but we have already achieved a pretty good result, I think.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Philippe
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>> Nick Drew wrote:
>>     
>>> Like others, I've been busy and not made the kind of progress
>>> of converting Rtips to the R Wiki that I've wanted to. I had hoped to have
>>> section 1 (Data input/output) done by now, but there is still
>>> 1.5 - 1.7 left on that section.
>>>
>>> I'm willing to continue to help with this. I will finish section 1
>>> by  the end of next week. However, I don't see me making
>>> much progress during our warm summer months here in Oregon.
>>>
>>> Perhaps we could generate a list of which sections of
>>> Rtips have been converted. Then others would know where to
>>> continue if they desire.
>>>
>>> ~Nick
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: r-sig-wiki-bounces at r-project.org
>>> [mailto:r-sig-wiki-bounces at r-project.org]On Behalf Of Ben Bolker
>>> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 4:02 AM
>>> To: Paul Johnson
>>> Cc: r-sig-wiki at r-project.org
>>> Subject: Re: [R-wiki] R Wiki: What do you want me to do now about tips?
>>>
>>>
>>>    Having seen no answer thus far:
>>>
>>>     Parts but not all of Rtips have been migrated to the R wiki
>>> (I'd make a wild guess of about 30-50%.)  My personal preference
>>> would be migration.  Apparently DocuWiki doesn't have a "single
>>> page" view, but there was some discussion on the list about how
>>> to run a script etc. to take a snapshot -- see the April archives
>>> and Romain Francois' code at
>>> http://wiki.r-project.org/rwiki/doku.php?id=tips:misc:alltips .
>>> If you were willing (once the migration is complete) to run
>>> this as a script on your server (say daily) and post the results ...
>>>
>>>     Work on the Wiki has slowed down once again (perhaps inevitable
>>> since so many people are busy).  I'd really like to encourage
>>> list-readers to keep at it -- would people be willing to make
>>> some kind of nominal deadline for at least getting the rest
>>> of R-tips moved over/volunteer for sections?
>>>
>>>    cheers
>>>      Ben Bolker
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> I have this gmail account but can't manage it very well.  Too many
>>>> messages, too many lists, blah, blah...
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I just noticed several messages in this list debating the
>>>> question of whether I should maintain Rtips or try to migrate the rest
>>>> of the content into the R Wiki.  What is that status now?
>>>>
>>>> My opinion is that some of the things in Rtips are quite seriously
>>>> useful, especially "how to save graphs" and "use predict with
>>>> regression" but many of the things are tidbits that I accumulated for
>>>> one use and never used again.
>>>>
>>>> I do think it is good if users can just view all the tips on a single
>>>> page, as some readers suggested.  The one who said I should keep
>>>> separate content on Rtips seemed to think the big drawback of the Wiki
>>>> was the sub-compartmentlization of information into little pages, and
>>>> there is some truth in that.  But I've seen other Wiki programs that
>>>> could just display all content in a single www post.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry I've not been paying attention, but now it is summer and I
>>>> have some time while preparing to teach stats again in the fall, and
>>>> so if you (all) tell me what needs to be done, I will do it.
>>>>         

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