[R-sig-ME] Assumptions of random effects for unbiased estimates

Wed Oct 12 10:12:53 CEST 2016

As others have said, there are rather peculiar inconsistencies between what
the methodological literature knows and what empirical economists actually
do.

I think the paper Jake cited (by my colleagues at Bristol/Sheffield) is
indeed one of the most useful on all this. The published version of the
paper is at: http://dx.doi.org/10.1017/psrm.2014.7

The following working paper (by them and me) takes up similar themes:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/299604336_Fixed_and_Random_effects_making_an_informed_choice

One of the additional limitations we note here with fixed effects models
(using a simulation study) is that they can be anti-conservative, in the
sense that the SEs they return are too small if the data are generated from
a random slopes model.

In brief, Laura, fixed effects models only estimate within-group
relationships, whereas random effects (AKA multilevel, mixed) models can
estimate within- and between-group relationships. The estimation of fixed
effects models implicitly entails group mean centering (though the models
are typically written out as though unit dummies are estimated). But
group-mean centering can also be done with random effects models, with the
same benefit you get with fixed effects models (isolation of the within
effects), while still allowing for estimation of the between relationships.
You might have less confidence that the between component of some x_ij is
uncorrelated with the unit error term, but it is still possible for the
within (group-mean-centered) component to be correlated with the
observation-level error term. So I would agree that bias is worth thinking
about, but using fixed effects is no more helpful than random effects as a
solution to the problem.

Hope that's useful,
Malcolm

Dr Malcolm Fairbrother
Reader in Global Policy and Politics
School of Geographical Sciences  •  Cabot Institute  •  Centre for
Multilevel Modelling
University of Bristol

Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 20:49:45 -0500
> From: Jake Westfall <jake.a.westfall at gmail.com>
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> What a nice contribution from John!
>
> Jake
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Poe, John <jdpo223 at g.uky.edu> wrote:
>
> > My reading of modern work by panel data econometricians is that they seem
> > very fine with the use of mixed effects models that properly
> differentiate
> > effects at different levels of analysis and the tools to do so have
> existed
> > in that literature since the early 1980s. They have been borrowing
> heavily
> > from the mixed effects literature in designing econometric models and
> talk
> > about them in panel data textbooks. This hasn't typically filtered down
> to
> > applied economists who tend to misunderstand what other fields do because
> > other fields just tend to talk about them differently.
> >
> > The short version:
> > Everyone in the mixed effects literature just uses group/grand mean
> > centering and random coefficients to deal with endogeneity bias. If you
> are
> > an economist and someone outside of econ says mixed effects models you
> > should think *correlated random effects models* and not *random effects
> > models*.
> >
> > The long version:
> > Economists are pretty afraid error structures that are correlated with
> > independent variables in general and have built up pretty elaborate
> > statistical models to deal with the problem. In panel data, this
> manifests
> > itself as wanting to avoid confounding effects at different levels of
> > analysis so that within group varying effects are segregated from between
> > group varying effects. It can also happen when you are omitting higher
> > level random effects
> > <http://methods.johndavidpoe.com/2016/09/09/independence-
> across-levels-in-mixed-effects-models/>
> > and they are distorting the structure of the random effects that you are
> > including. This is generally a good thing as you want to be able to test
> > hypotheses at specific levels of analysis without confounding.
> >
> > It's a big enough theoretical concern in the discipline that they usually
> > just want to remove all between group effects from the data as a
> *default* to
> > get level one effects because it is simpler and more fool proof than
> > dealing with the problem in a mixed effects setting. It's so pervasive
> that
> > they are often socialized into not designing hypotheses for any between
> > group or cross-level variation and just focus on within group (time
> > varying) variability when at all possible (what economists call *within
> > effects*).
> >
> > What economists refer to as fixed effects models just difference out all
> > between group variation so that it cannot contaminate within group
> effects
> > (bias level one coefficients). It's the equivalent to including group
> > indicator variables in the model instead of a random effect and just
> > accepting that you can't make substantive inferences about anything at
> the
> > group level (what economists call *between effects*).
> >
> > The typical conventional wisdom in applied econometrics is to use a
> > Hausman test which is a generic test comparing coefficients between a
> > random effects model (with no level 2 covariates) and a model with all
> > between group variability removed from the data. If there are differences
> > between the two, then they prefer to go with the latter. This is bad
> > practice according to econometrics textbooks but applied people don't
> seem
> > to care (Baltagi 2013 ch 4.3). This only makes sense if you don't care
> > about group invariant variables that only differ crosssectionally and/or
> > you think of their effects as contamination. Panel data econometrics
> > textbooks tend to argue for a wider range of options here but in practice
> > not that many economists seem to use them.
> >
> > There's an alternative framework in econ for dealing with this problem
> > that they call a Mundlak device (Mundlak 1978) or correlated random
> effects
> > models (Baltagi Handbook of Panel Data 2014 ch 6.3.3 or really any panel
> > data textbook) which is equivalent to a hierarchical linear model with
> > group mean centering for level-one variables. This approach is used in
> > econometrics by some pretty standard advanced panel data models (e.g.
> > Hausman-Taylor and Arellano Bond). The other alternative that is
> advocated
> > by panel data econometricians but doesn't seem to have filtered down to
> > rank and file economists is to use random coefficients models and just
> > allow the random effects to be correlated with level one variables (Hsiao
> > 2014 chapter 6 and most of his other written work).
> >
> > It is important to understand that efficiency isn't the primary reason
> for
> > use of a mixed effects model over a fixed effects model for most
> research.
> > A common reason to use a mixed effects model is that you have hypotheses
> > about variables operating at higher levels of analysis or cross-level
> > interactions and those questions cannot be answered by fixed effects
> panel
> > models that have removed all between group variability from the analysis.
> > You are sacrificing the ability to test group variant hypotheses by
> using a
> > basic fixed effects model over a mixed effects model. For nonlinear
> models
> > like a logistic regression it can also be very difficult to use an
> unbiased
> > fixed effects model (though there are ways in a panel setting e.g. Hahn
> and
> > Newy 2004) and trivial to use a mixed effects model.
> >
> > Panel data econometricians almost always talk about typical practice
> among
> > applied economists using fixed effects as flawed (see Baltagi 2013 ch.
> > 4.3). Mark Nerlov's 2000 History of Panel Data Econometrics is my
> favorite
> > example:
> >
> > The absurdity of the contention that possible correlation between some of
> >> the observed explanatory variables and the individual-specific
> component of
> >> the disturbance is a ground for using fixed effects should be clear from
> >> the following example: Consider a panel of households with data on
> >> consumption and income. We are trying to estimate a consumption
> function.
> >> Income varies across households and over time. The variation across
> >> households is related to ability of the main earner and other household
> >> specific factors which vary little over time, that is to say, reflect
> >> mainly differences in permanent income. Such permanent differences in
> >> income are widely believed to be the source of most differences in
> >> consumption both crosssectionally and over time, whereas, variations of
> >> income over time are likely to be mostly transitory and unrelated to
> >> consumption in most categories. Yet, fixed-effects regressions are
> >> equivalent to using only this variation and discarding the information
> on
> >> the consumption-income relationship contained the cross-section
> variation
> >> among the household means.
> >
> >
> > See the last couple of pages of this lecture
> > <http://www.johndavidpoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/
> Blalock-Lecture.pdf> for
> > the citations in the econometrics and multilevel literature that I
> > referenced.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Jake Westfall <
> jake.a.westfall at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Laura and Ben,
> >>
> >> I like this paper on this topic:
> >> http://psych.colorado.edu/~westfaja/FixedvsRandom.pdf
> >>
> >> What it comes down to essentially is that if the cluster effects are
> >> correlated with the "time-varying" (i.e., within-cluster varying) X
> >> predictor -- so that, for example, some clusters have high means on X
> and
> >> others have low means on X -- then there is the possibility that the
> >> average within-cluster effect (which is what the fixed effect model
> >> estimates) differs from the overall effect of X, not conditional on the
> >> clusters. An extreme example of this is Simpson's paradox. Now since the
> >> estimate from the random-effects model can be seen as a weighted average
> >> of
> >> these two effects, it will generally be pulled to some extent away from
> >> the
> >> fixed-effect estimate toward the unconditional estimate, which is the
> bias
> >> that econometricians fret about. However, if the cluster effects are not
> >> correlated with X, so that each cluster has the same mean on X, then
> this
> >> situation is not possible, so the random-effect model will give the same
> >> unbiased estimate as the fixed-effect model.
> >>
> >> A simple solution to this problem is to retain the random-effect model,
> >> but
> >> to split the predictor X into two components, one representing the
> >> within-cluster variation of X and the other representing the
> >> between-cluster variation of X, and estimate separate slopes for these
> two
> >> effects. One can even test whether these two slopes differ from each
> >> other,
> >> which is conceptually similar to what the Hausman test does. As
> described
> >> in the paper linked above, the estimate of the within-cluster component
> of
> >> the X effect equals the estimate one would obtain from a fixed-effect
> >> model.
> >>
> >> As for the original question, I can't speak for common practice in
> >> ecology,
> >> but I suspect it may be like it is in my home field of psychology, where
> >> we
> >> do worry about this issue (to some extent), but we discuss it using
> >> completely different language. That is, we discuss it in terms of
> whether
> >> there are different effects of the predictor at the within-cluster and
> >> between-cluster levels, and how our model might account for that.
> >>
> >> Jake
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Ben Bolker <bbolker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >   I didn't respond to this offline, as it took me a while even to
> start
> >> > to come up to speed on the question.  Random effects are indeed
> defined
> >> > from *very* different points of view in the two communities
> >> > ([bio]statistical vs. econometric); I'm sure there are points of
> >> > contact, but I've been having a hard time getting my head around it
> all.
> >> >
> >> > Econometric definition:
> >> >
> >> > The wikipedia page <https://en.wikipedia.org/
> wiki/Random_effects_model>
> >> > and CrossValidated question
> >> > <http://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/66161/why-do-
> >> > random-effect-models-require-the-effects-to-be-uncorrelated-
> >> with-the-inpu>
> >> > were both helpful for me.
> >> >
> >> >  In the (bio)statistical world fixed and random effects are usually
> >> > justified practically in terms of shrinkage estimators, or
> >> > philosophically in terms of random draws from an exchangeable set of
> >> > levels: e.g. see
> >> > <http://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/4700/what-is-
> >> > the-difference-between-fixed-effect-random-effect-and-mixed-
> >> effect-mode/>
> >> > for links.
> >> >
> >> >   I don't think I can really write an answer yet.  I'm still trying to
> >> > understand at an intuitive or heuristic level what it means for
> >> > Cov(x_it,c_i)=0, where x_it is a set of explanatory variables over
> time
> >> > for an individual subject and c_i is the conditional mode (=BLUP in
> >> > linear mixed-model-land) for the deviation of the individual i from
> the
> >> > population mean ... or more particularly what it means for that
> >> > condition to be violated, which is the point at which fixed effects
> >> > would become preferred.
> >> >
> >> >   As a side note, some statisticians (Andrew Gelman is the one who
> >> > springs to mind) have commented on the possible overemphasis on bias.
> >> > (All else being equal unbiased estimators are preferred to biased
> >> > estimators but all else is not always equal). Two examples: (1)
> >> > penalized estimators such as lasso/ridge regression (closely related
> to
> >> > mixed models) give biased parameter estimates with lower mean squared
> >> > error. (2) When estimating variability, one has to choose a particular
> >> > scale (variance, standard error, log(standard error), etc.) on which
> one
> >> > would prefer to get an unbiased answer.
> >> >
> >> > On 16-10-11 12:02 PM, Laura Dee wrote:
> >> > > Dear all,
> >> > > Random effects are more efficient estimators ? however they come at
> >> the
> >> > > cost of the assumption that the random effect is not correlated with
> >> the
> >> > > included explanatory variables. Otherwise, using random effects
> leads
> >> to
> >> > > biased estimates (e.g., as laid out in Woolridge
> >> > > <https://faculty.fuqua.duke.edu/~moorman/Wooldridge,%20FE%20
> >> and%20RE.pdf
> >> > >'s
> >> > > Econometrics text). This assumption is a strong one for many
> >> > > observational datasets, and most analyses in economics do not use
> >> random
> >> > > effects for this reason. *Is there a reason why observational
> >> ecological
> >> > > datasets would be fundamentally different that I am missing? Why is
> >> this
> >> > > important assumption (to have unbiased estimates from random
> effects)
> >> > > not emphasized in ecology? *
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks!
> >> > >
> >> > > Laura
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Laura Dee
> >> > > Post-doctoral Associate
> >> > > University of Minnesota
> >> > > ledee at umn.edu <mailto:ledee at umn.edu>
> >> > > lauraedee.com <http://lauraedee.com>
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > R-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org mailing list
> >> > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mixed-models
> >> >
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John
> >
> >
> > John Poe
> > Doctoral Candidate
> > Department of Political Science
> > Research Methodologist
> > UK Center for Public Health Services & Systems Research
> > University of Kentucky
> > 111 Washington Avenue, Room 203a
> > Lexington, KY 40536
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> >
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> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 22:47:41 -0400
> From: "Poe, John" <jdpo223 at g.uky.edu>
> To: Jake Westfall <jake.a.westfall at gmail.com>
> Cc: r-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org
> Subject: Re: [R-sig-ME] Assumptions of random effects for unbiased
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>
> Thanks Jake!
>
> On Oct 11, 2016 9:50 PM, "Jake Westfall" <jake.a.westfall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > What a nice contribution from John!
> >
> > Jake
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Poe, John <jdpo223 at g.uky.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > My reading of modern work by panel data econometricians is that they
> seem
> > > very fine with the use of mixed effects models that properly
> > differentiate
> > > effects at different levels of analysis and the tools to do so have
> > existed
> > > in that literature since the early 1980s. They have been borrowing
> > heavily
> > > from the mixed effects literature in designing econometric models and
> > talk
> > > about them in panel data textbooks. This hasn't typically filtered down
> > to
> > > applied economists who tend to misunderstand what other fields do
> because
> > > other fields just tend to talk about them differently.
> > >
> > > The short version:
> > > Everyone in the mixed effects literature just uses group/grand mean
> > > centering and random coefficients to deal with endogeneity bias. If you
> > are
> > > an economist and someone outside of econ says mixed effects models you
> > > should think *correlated random effects models* and not *random effects
> > > models*.
> > >
> > > The long version:
> > > Economists are pretty afraid error structures that are correlated with
> > > independent variables in general and have built up pretty elaborate
> > > statistical models to deal with the problem. In panel data, this
> > manifests
> > > itself as wanting to avoid confounding effects at different levels of
> > > analysis so that within group varying effects are segregated from
> between
> > > group varying effects. It can also happen when you are omitting higher
> > > level random effects
> > > <http://methods.johndavidpoe.com/2016/09/09/independence-
> > across-levels-in-mixed-effects-models/>
> > > and they are distorting the structure of the random effects that you
> are
> > > including. This is generally a good thing as you want to be able to
> test
> > > hypotheses at specific levels of analysis without confounding.
> > >
> > > It's a big enough theoretical concern in the discipline that they
> usually
> > > just want to remove all between group effects from the data as a
> > *default* to
> > > get level one effects because it is simpler and more fool proof than
> > > dealing with the problem in a mixed effects setting. It's so pervasive
> > that
> > > they are often socialized into not designing hypotheses for any between
> > > group or cross-level variation and just focus on within group (time
> > > varying) variability when at all possible (what economists call *within
> > > effects*).
> > >
> > > What economists refer to as fixed effects models just difference out
> all
> > > between group variation so that it cannot contaminate within group
> > effects
> > > (bias level one coefficients). It's the equivalent to including group
> > > indicator variables in the model instead of a random effect and just
> > > accepting that you can't make substantive inferences about anything at
> > the
> > > group level (what economists call *between effects*).
> > >
> > > The typical conventional wisdom in applied econometrics is to use a
> > > Hausman test which is a generic test comparing coefficients between a
> > > random effects model (with no level 2 covariates) and a model with all
> > > between group variability removed from the data. If there are
> differences
> > > between the two, then they prefer to go with the latter. This is bad
> > > practice according to econometrics textbooks but applied people don't
> > seem
> > > to care (Baltagi 2013 ch 4.3). This only makes sense if you don't care
> > > about group invariant variables that only differ crosssectionally
> and/or
> > > you think of their effects as contamination. Panel data econometrics
> > > textbooks tend to argue for a wider range of options here but in
> practice
> > > not that many economists seem to use them.
> > >
> > > There's an alternative framework in econ for dealing with this problem
> > > that they call a Mundlak device (Mundlak 1978) or correlated random
> > effects
> > > models (Baltagi Handbook of Panel Data 2014 ch 6.3.3 or really any
> panel
> > > data textbook) which is equivalent to a hierarchical linear model with
> > > group mean centering for level-one variables. This approach is used in
> > > econometrics by some pretty standard advanced panel data models (e.g.
> > > Hausman-Taylor and Arellano Bond). The other alternative that is
> > advocated
> > > by panel data econometricians but doesn't seem to have filtered down to
> > > rank and file economists is to use random coefficients models and just
> > > allow the random effects to be correlated with level one variables
> (Hsiao
> > > 2014 chapter 6 and most of his other written work).
> > >
> > > It is important to understand that efficiency isn't the primary reason
> > for
> > > use of a mixed effects model over a fixed effects model for most
> > research.
> > > A common reason to use a mixed effects model is that you have
> hypotheses
> > > about variables operating at higher levels of analysis or cross-level
> > > interactions and those questions cannot be answered by fixed effects
> > panel
> > > models that have removed all between group variability from the
> analysis.
> > > You are sacrificing the ability to test group variant hypotheses by
> > using a
> > > basic fixed effects model over a mixed effects model. For nonlinear
> > models
> > > like a logistic regression it can also be very difficult to use an
> > unbiased
> > > fixed effects model (though there are ways in a panel setting e.g. Hahn
> > and
> > > Newy 2004) and trivial to use a mixed effects model.
> > >
> > > Panel data econometricians almost always talk about typical practice
> > among
> > > applied economists using fixed effects as flawed (see Baltagi 2013 ch.
> > > 4.3). Mark Nerlov's 2000 History of Panel Data Econometrics is my
> > favorite
> > > example:
> > >
> > > The absurdity of the contention that possible correlation between some
> of
> > >> the observed explanatory variables and the individual-specific
> > component of
> > >> the disturbance is a ground for using fixed effects should be clear
> from
> > >> the following example: Consider a panel of households with data on
> > >> consumption and income. We are trying to estimate a consumption
> > function.
> > >> Income varies across households and over time. The variation across
> > >> households is related to ability of the main earner and other
> household
> > >> specific factors which vary little over time, that is to say, reflect
> > >> mainly differences in permanent income. Such permanent differences in
> > >> income are widely believed to be the source of most differences in
> > >> consumption both crosssectionally and over time, whereas, variations
> of
> > >> income over time are likely to be mostly transitory and unrelated to
> > >> consumption in most categories. Yet, fixed-effects regressions are
> > >> equivalent to using only this variation and discarding the information
> > on
> > >> the consumption-income relationship contained the cross-section
> > variation
> > >> among the household means.
> > >
> > >
> > > See the last couple of pages of this lecture
> > > <http://www.johndavidpoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/
> > Blalock-Lecture.pdf> for
> > > the citations in the econometrics and multilevel literature that I
> > > referenced.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Jake Westfall <
> > jake.a.westfall at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Laura and Ben,
> > >>
> > >> I like this paper on this topic:
> > >> http://psych.colorado.edu/~westfaja/FixedvsRandom.pdf
> > >>
> > >> What it comes down to essentially is that if the cluster effects are
> > >> correlated with the "time-varying" (i.e., within-cluster varying) X
> > >> predictor -- so that, for example, some clusters have high means on X
> > and
> > >> others have low means on X -- then there is the possibility that the
> > >> average within-cluster effect (which is what the fixed effect model
> > >> estimates) differs from the overall effect of X, not conditional on
> the
> > >> clusters. An extreme example of this is Simpson's paradox. Now since
> the
> > >> estimate from the random-effects model can be seen as a weighted
> average
> > >> of
> > >> these two effects, it will generally be pulled to some extent away
> from
> > >> the
> > >> fixed-effect estimate toward the unconditional estimate, which is the
> > bias
> > >> that econometricians fret about. However, if the cluster effects are
> not
> > >> correlated with X, so that each cluster has the same mean on X, then
> > this
> > >> situation is not possible, so the random-effect model will give the
> same
> > >> unbiased estimate as the fixed-effect model.
> > >>
> > >> A simple solution to this problem is to retain the random-effect
> model,
> > >> but
> > >> to split the predictor X into two components, one representing the
> > >> within-cluster variation of X and the other representing the
> > >> between-cluster variation of X, and estimate separate slopes for these
> > two
> > >> effects. One can even test whether these two slopes differ from each
> > >> other,
> > >> which is conceptually similar to what the Hausman test does. As
> > described
> > >> in the paper linked above, the estimate of the within-cluster
> component
> > of
> > >> the X effect equals the estimate one would obtain from a fixed-effect
> > >> model.
> > >>
> > >> As for the original question, I can't speak for common practice in
> > >> ecology,
> > >> but I suspect it may be like it is in my home field of psychology,
> where
> > >> we
> > >> do worry about this issue (to some extent), but we discuss it using
> > >> completely different language. That is, we discuss it in terms of
> > whether
> > >> there are different effects of the predictor at the within-cluster and
> > >> between-cluster levels, and how our model might account for that.
> > >>
> > >> Jake
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Ben Bolker <bbolker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >   I didn't respond to this offline, as it took me a while even to
> > start
> > >> > to come up to speed on the question.  Random effects are indeed
> > defined
> > >> > from *very* different points of view in the two communities
> > >> > ([bio]statistical vs. econometric); I'm sure there are points of
> > >> > contact, but I've been having a hard time getting my head around it
> > all.
> > >> >
> > >> > Econometric definition:
> > >> >
> > >> > The wikipedia page <https://en.wikipedia.org/
> > wiki/Random_effects_model>
> > >> > and CrossValidated question
> > >> > <http://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/66161/why-do-
> > >> > random-effect-models-require-the-effects-to-be-uncorrelated-
> > >> with-the-inpu>
> > >> > were both helpful for me.
> > >> >
> > >> >  In the (bio)statistical world fixed and random effects are usually
> > >> > justified practically in terms of shrinkage estimators, or
> > >> > philosophically in terms of random draws from an exchangeable set of
> > >> > levels: e.g. see
> > >> > <http://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/4700/what-is-
> > >> > the-difference-between-fixed-effect-random-effect-and-mixed-
> > >> effect-mode/>
> > >> > for links.
> > >> >
> > >> >   I don't think I can really write an answer yet.  I'm still trying
> to
> > >> > understand at an intuitive or heuristic level what it means for
> > >> > Cov(x_it,c_i)=0, where x_it is a set of explanatory variables over
> > time
> > >> > for an individual subject and c_i is the conditional mode (=BLUP in
> > >> > linear mixed-model-land) for the deviation of the individual i from
> > the
> > >> > population mean ... or more particularly what it means for that
> > >> > condition to be violated, which is the point at which fixed effects
> > >> > would become preferred.
> > >> >
> > >> >   As a side note, some statisticians (Andrew Gelman is the one who
> > >> > springs to mind) have commented on the possible overemphasis on
> bias.
> > >> > (All else being equal unbiased estimators are preferred to biased
> > >> > estimators but all else is not always equal). Two examples: (1)
> > >> > penalized estimators such as lasso/ridge regression (closely related
> > to
> > >> > mixed models) give biased parameter estimates with lower mean
> squared
> > >> > error. (2) When estimating variability, one has to choose a
> particular
> > >> > scale (variance, standard error, log(standard error), etc.) on which
> > one
> > >> > would prefer to get an unbiased answer.
> > >> >
> > >> > On 16-10-11 12:02 PM, Laura Dee wrote:
> > >> > > Dear all,
> > >> > > Random effects are more efficient estimators ? however they come
> at
> > >> the
> > >> > > cost of the assumption that the random effect is not correlated
> with
> > >> the
> > >> > > included explanatory variables. Otherwise, using random effects
> > leads
> > >> to
> > >> > > biased estimates (e.g., as laid out in Woolridge
> > >> > > <https://faculty.fuqua.duke.edu/~moorman/Wooldridge,%20FE%20
> > >> and%20RE.pdf
> > >> > >'s
> > >> > > Econometrics text). This assumption is a strong one for many
> > >> > > observational datasets, and most analyses in economics do not use
> > >> random
> > >> > > effects for this reason. *Is there a reason why observational
> > >> ecological
> > >> > > datasets would be fundamentally different that I am missing? Why
> is
> > >> this
> > >> > > important assumption (to have unbiased estimates from random
> > effects)
> > >> > > not emphasized in ecology? *
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Laura
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > Laura Dee
> > >> > > Post-doctoral Associate
> > >> > > University of Minnesota
> > >> > > ledee at umn.edu <mailto:ledee at umn.edu>
> > >> > > lauraedee.com <http://lauraedee.com>
> > >> >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > John Poe
> > > Doctoral Candidate
> > > Department of Political Science
> > > Research Methodologist
> > > UK Center for Public Health Services & Systems Research
> > > University of Kentucky
> > > 111 Washington Avenue, Room 203a
> > > Lexington, KY 40536
> > > www.johndavidpoe.com
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