[R-sig-ME] Minimum number of levels for mixed model
nrm2010
nrm2010 at zoho.com
Wed Feb 6 18:34:57 CET 2013
Dear Mixed Modelers:
The oft-mentioned glmm wiki FAQ recommends a minimum of 5 or 6 levels
when using a mixed model. I am not sure how to interpret this statement.
I have 4 experimental treatments, each with 3 replicates, for a total of 12 plots.
Measurements were made over 4 years and there are thousands of individual
data points within each of the 12 plots. I was planning to use nested random
effects of plot within treatment within year. So I would have 3 replicate plots
within each of 4 treatments within each of 4 years.
My questions:
For nested effects, at what level does the recommendation pertain? Is it only
the lowest level? Would 5 or 6 plots within 3 treatments within 3 years be acceptable?
Or should one have 5 or 6 plots within 5 or 6 treatments within 5 or 6 years? Is the
amount of data within plot irrelevant to this issue?
If 4 treatments are insufficient for a mixed model, is treatment as fixed effect
the only alternative? I need an approach for which there is a method for multiple
comparison of means. I believe lm, lme, lme4 are the only options since the aov
methods do not accept an Error term.
Thank you for your thoughts.
Toby Gass
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