[R-sig-ME] glmer, split-plot design simple question
bbolker at gmail.com
Sat Dec 1 03:30:07 CET 2012
<chico3 at ...> writes:
> I have four luminaires randomly distributed. Two luminaires have light
> on and two luminaires have no light. Below the luminaires I have two
> treatments. Each treatment has four replicates that were randomly
> distributed below the luminaires. Moreover, I have made all the
> possible combinations of presence absence of light and treatments.
> I want to check if there is a effect of each treatment and the
> interactions between all the combinations.The response variable is a
> proportion (number of specific specie/total number of species)
> Treatment2<- as.factor(“Yes”,”No”)
> Light<- as.factor(“Yes”,”No”)
> Response<-cbind(number_of_specific_species, total_species)
> I have made this model,
> model<-glmer(Response ~ Treatment1*Treatment2 + (1|Light), family=binomial)
> However this doesn´t allow to see the effect of light or the
> interaction between light and treatments. Moreover, I don´t know how
> to include overdispersion, since glmer doesn´t allow quasi families
> such as glm.
> I know this is a simple question, but I greatly would appreciate some
> clues on how to proceed.
I may be missing something here, but it doesn't make sense to me
to treat Light as a random effect (one criterion -- the levels "Light"
and "No light" aren't *exchangeable*, i.e. you couldn't switch
the factor labels without changing the meaning of the experiment).
I would say you are looking for something more like
glmer(Response ~ Treatment1*Treatment2*Light + (1|luminaire), family=binomial)
where the luminaires are labeled uniquely (e.g.
It sounds like this is a randomized block design (i.e. every level of
Treat1*Treat2 is present at each luminaire), so you could test the
interaction between Treat1*Treat2 and luminaire via
(Treat1*Treat2|luminaire) instead of (1|luminaire) (see e.g.
Schielzeth 2009), although you may find that this leads to estimates
of zero variance (overfitting the data).
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