[R-sig-ME] modelling seasonal patterns as random effects in a monthly time series

[Chris Howden]

Very Sorry everyone for the redundant reply to jianyun.

for some reason I thought that came from the r-sig-Eco list I'm on and
I also managed to not process  jianyun's last sentence.

I think I must still be half asleep, my only excuse is that I haven't
had my cup of tea yet.

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On 16/02/2012, at 10:09, Chris Howden <chris at trickysolutions.com.au> wrote:

> Try lme and lme4. There is also a list calle r-sig-me.
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> On 16/02/2012, at 8:35, Jianyun Wu <jianyun.fred.wu at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ken,
>> I have a monthly time series, and the seasonal pattern is obvious where
>> peaks are in Dec and drops in Jan. However due to various "external"
>> factors, the seasonal variation during the year may change from time to
>> time. The traditional practice here is to use seasonal dummies to treat
>> them deterministically.
>> Therefore I am curious that instead of treating them as fixed effects,
>> whether random effects model can apply for 12 month in each year.
>> We do not use Box-Jenkin approach to difference the time series as we can
>> hardly find a significant association on a variable of interest. But using
>> determinstic trend and seasonal dummies do....
>> Thanks
>> Fred
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Kenneth Frost <kfrost at wisc.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Fred-
>>>
>>> The answer to your question is probably yes, but you need to provide more
>>> details about what you want to do.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> On 02/15/12, Jianyun Wu   wrote:
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> Is there any function or packages in R that I can treat seasonal patterns
>>>> as random effects in a monthly time series?
>>>>
>>>> Is this possible to formulate such a model using nlme, lme4 or other
>>>> available mixed model packages?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and Regards
>>>>
>>>> Fred
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