[R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma

Manuel Spínola m@p|no|@10 @end|ng |rom gm@||@com
Tue Oct 3 23:59:54 CEST 2023 

I was having problems with Rstudio after upgrading to Sonoma. I removed and
reinstalled R and the problems seem to disappear.

Manuel

El mar, 3 oct 2023 a las 12:08, Brandon Hurr (<brandon.hurr using gmail.com>)
escribió:

> I can confirm that the behavior is the same on an Intel machine
> freshly upgraded to Sonoma with R 4.3.0 R.app GUI 1.79 (8238)
> aarch64-apple-darwin20
> And it has been going on my M2 MBP R4.3.1 R.app GUI 1.79 (8238)
> aarch64-apple-darwin20
>
> Does the team need any debug outputs or similar to understand the
> issue? Happy to send what's needed. Please advise.
>
> HTH,
> Brandon
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 12:35 PM John Helly via R-SIG-Mac
> <r-sig-mac using r-project.org> wrote:
> >
> > Aloha.
> >
> > I've confirmed it on the M-chip but afraid to test on my Intel.  I have
> > had a problem for years now, that seems related and limited to R.app.
> > RStudio does not have the problem: which is why I stopped using R.app.
> >
> > On multiple machines, all architectures, R.app spontaneously switches
> > from editor windows to console and the switching of focus causes code to
> > get damaged or destroyed unwittingly.
> >
> > RStudio has its own problems but this problem has never been solved (for
> > me) and I haven't been able to confirm it with others so no known
> > cause.  It may be related to this current problem since it seems to be
> > in the same general domain.
> >
> > J.
> >
> > On 10/3/23 06:27, Kevin Thorpe wrote:
> > > Hello.
> > >
> > > I am wondering if this is just an issue on M1/2 chips or does it also
> affect Intel?
> > >
> > > I usually hold off upgrading until the first or second patch, but I
> feel I should warn students in my class.
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Oct 3, 2023, at 12:14 PM, William R Revelle <
> revelle using northwestern.edu> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> [You don't often get email from revelle using northwestern.edu. Learn why
> this is important at https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ]
> > >>
> > >> It turns out that is not just the graphics window that the focus
> problem, it is all windows.  That is, opening the help window takes focus
> away from the console and help needs to be closed before the console window
> will be active.  The install package window has the same problem.
> > >>
> > >> For each case, closing the extra window restores console functioning.
> > >>
> > >> I report this just so Simon can see the report.
> > >>
> > >> I remain in awe of the work of Simon in getting the Mac version to
> work so well.
> > >>
> > >> I am running
> > >>
> > >> R version 4.3.1 Patched (2023-09-30 r85239)
> > >> Platform: aarch64-apple-darwin20 (64-bit)
> > >> Running under: macOS Sonoma 14.0
> > >>
> > >> Bill
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa using mcw.edu>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I hear you!  It is not just R either.  I know you mentioned R-studio.
> > >>> But there are lots of other things R-related like emacs.  I had the
> > >>> hardest time with emacs for Catalina and Big sur.  I’m not sure
> > >>> but I think Monterrey was better.  However, all of those issues
> > >>> finally went away with Ventura.  This makes me extremely hesitant
> for Sonoma
> > >>> since I am finally happy now.  So long story short: Apple gets there,
> > >>> but it can take years sometimes.  The new hardware like ARM (and
> > >>> the titanium iPhone!) look so cool it can be very tempting to go
> > >>> bleeding-edge. I learned my lesson when Ventura first came out.
> > >>> R was not ready and neither were lots of tools that we use here
> > >>> at work.  Good luck
> > >>> --
> > >>> Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His
> > >>> Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical
> Association
> > >>> Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics
> > >>> Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus
> > >>> From: William Revelle <lists using revelle.net>
> > >>> Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:01 PM
> > >>> To: Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa using mcw.edu>, r-sig-mac using r-project.org <
> r-sig-mac using r-project.org>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma
> > >>> ATTENTION: This email originated from a sender outside of MCW. Use
> caution when clicking on links or opening attachments.
> > >>> ________________________________
> > >>>
> > >>> Rodney,
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for your quick reply.
> > >>>
> > >>> It turns out this is just a problem with the base R  for Mac
> graphics window (which is to say, the version I like).  I can still use
> R-studio (which I don’t like as much).
> > >>>
> > >>> I can wait patiently for a patch to the Mac version while using
> R-Studio.
> > >>>
> > >>> That way I don’t have to go through the hassle of trying to
> reinstall 13.x and dumping 14.0.
> > >>>
> > >>> Bill
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa using mcw.edu>
> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hi Bill:
> > >>>> Well, I am usually pretty cautious about this.  I don’t move to the
> > >>>> next release until R is ready.  For Ventura, it took quite awhile
> > >>>> before that happened.  Sorry
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His
> > >>>> Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical
> Association
> > >>>> Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics
> > >>>> Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus
> > >>>> From: R-SIG-Mac <r-sig-mac-bounces using r-project.org> on behalf of
> William Revelle <lists using revelle.net>
> > >>>> Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:19 AM
> > >>>> To: r-sig-mac using r-project.org <r-sig-mac using r-project.org>
> > >>>> Subject: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS 1
> > >>>> ATTENTION: This email originated from a sender outside of MCW. Use
> caution when clicking on links or opening attachments.
> > >>>> ________________________________
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Dear Mac users of R and developers.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I recently updated to the Sonoma OS for Mac  (14.0)  and it has a
> serious problem for graphics.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> plot(1:10) creates a graphic window but I can not switch back to
> the console window using either command-1 or the mouse.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Anybody else having this problem?  Any suggestions for a patch?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I am running a MacBook Pro with M1 Max.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Bill
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> (resent because of bad mail address)
> > >>>> William Revelle            personality-project.org/revelle.html
> > >>>> Professor                    personality-project.org
> > >>>> Department of Psychology
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.wcas.northwestern.edu/psych/__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzH5OX_pOA$
> > >>>> Northwestern University
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> > >>>> Use R for psychology                 personality-project.org/r
> > >>>> It is 90 seconds to midnight
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> > >>>
> > >>> William Revelle            personality-project.org/revelle.html
> > >>> Professor                    personality-project.org
> > >>> Department of Psychology
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.wcas.northwestern.edu/psych/__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!88tilf5jXzIUAFnhvoS-ukTdaw-8-r6Idnya5ElJTuSaQGzC-w32dWd-UDOpOs8l5fIqHIBhQrcuaw$
> > >>> Northwestern University
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> > >>> Use R for psychology                 personality-project.org/r
> > >>> It is 90 seconds to midnight
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.thebulletin.org__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!88tilf5jXzIUAFnhvoS-ukTdaw-8-r6Idnya5ElJTuSaQGzC-w32dWd-UDOpOs8l5fIqHIB-u6-uTg$
> > >>
> > >> William Revelle
> personality-project.org/revelle.html
> > >> Professor
> personality-project.org
> > >> Department of Psychology         www.wcas.northwestern.edu/psych/
> > >> Northwestern University            www.northwestern.edu/
> > >> Use R for psychology                 personality-project.org/r
> > >> It 90 seconds to midnight          www.thebulletin.org
> > >>
> > >>
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