[R-SIG-Mac] R commander fonts on R 3.4.0

Tue May 16 19:30:35 CEST 2017

> On May 16, 2017, at 12:20 PM, peter dalgaard <pdalgd at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Mystery solved after looking into the actual .pkg files. They simply contain a full Tcl/Tk which installs into /usr/local, which obviously affects anything that links it dynamically. I somehow thought that they would install somewhere separate. (Stop grinning, Simon!)
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I'm not sure I understand the "they" - is it us? The difference in R 3.4.0 is that we are using everything from the system (and XQuartz) whereas before we were building dependencies ourselves before.

> Anyways, the way forward must be to get Tcl/Tk compiled exactly as they were in 3.3.x.
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R before 3.4.0 we used Tcl/Tk 8.6.0 for OS X Mavericks from 2013, for R 3.4.0 we are using Tcl/Tk 8.6.6 for El Capitan.

FWIW the config flags were
--disable-corefoundation --disable-framework --disable-aqua --enable-64bit --with-tcl=/usr/local/lib --with-x --x-includes=/opt/X11/include --x-libraries=/opt/X11/lib CC=clang CXX=clang++

I have no idea what you are talking about here so if anyone has suggestions to test, let me know.

Cheers,
Simon

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>> On 16 May 2017, at 15:18 , peter dalgaard <pdalgd at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Double-checked: Indeed, installing 3.3-branch-mavericks.pkg enables xft on my local builds of R-patched and R-devel. Hmmmm......
>> 
>> -pd 
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>>> On 16 May 2017, at 14:55 , peter dalgaard <pdalgd at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Curiouser and curiouser, now my local build of R-devel stopped using xft _without any recompile_ I swear that it worked before I installed R-3.4.0.pkg....
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>>> I have both /opt/local/ and /usr/local variants of Tcl/Tk 8.6 and only the former has wish8.6 understanding the tk::pkgconfig stuff, so there is plenty of room for confusion. The latter seems to be from Simon's site; the other one could be a MacPorts relic...
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>>> -pd
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>>>> On 16 May 2017, at 13:28 , peter dalgaard <pdalgd at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> It's a build issue relating to Tcl/Tk, not specifically Rcmdr (Rcmdr does something slightly weird[*] with the fonts too, but this seems to be orthogonal to the ugly-font issue).
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>>>> To see the issue quickly, try 
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>>>> library(tcltk)
>>>> .Tcl("::tk::pkgconfig get fontsystem")
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>>>> With CRAN 3.3.3, I get 
>>>> 
>>>> <Tcl> xft 
>>>> 
>>>> and likewise with a local nightly build of R-devel, but CRAN 3.4.0 says
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>>>>> .Tcl("::tk::pkgconfig get fontsystem")
>>>> Error in .Tcl("::tk::pkgconfig get fontsystem") : 
>>>> could not find function ".Tcl"
>>>> 
>>>> as does a local build of R-patched (???!!!). 
>>>> 
>>>> This is pretty weird. I'll see if I can dig up some more about where the difference is.
>>>> 
>>>> -pd
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>>>> [*] Try library(tcltk); demo(tkfaq)  then library(Rcmdr) and watch the font change in the tkfaq window.
>>>> 
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>>>>> On 15 May 2017, at 23:17 , Fox, John <jfox at mcmaster.ca> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Jose,
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's a bit difficult to respond to your latest messages because you sent so many of them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not entirely sure what's producing your font problems -- perhaps Simon will have some additional ideas -- but you should be aware that you can't load the Rcmdr package -- or, more generally, the tcltk package -- without XQuartz (or another X11 system). Normally, XQuartz should start automatically when the Rcmdr (or tcltk) package is loaded. That is, you should not have to start it separately.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It may help to know that the Rcmdr package selects its default dialog font by querying the default Tk font, via the command
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	tclvalue(.Tcl("font actual TkDefaultFont -family"))
>>>>> 
>>>>> and sets the font for commands and output by querying the default Tk fixed-width font:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	tclvalue(.Tcl("font actual TkFixedFont -family"))
>>>>> 
>>>>> On my Macs, these are respectively the helvetica and courier fonts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In any event, I'm glad that you seem to have solved your problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Jose G Conde Santiago [mailto:jose.conde1 at upr.edu]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:18 PM
>>>>>> To: Simon Urbanek <simon.urbanek at r-project.org>; Fox, John
>>>>>> <jfox at mcmaster.ca>; r-sig-mac at r-project.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R commander fonts on R 3.4.0
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When I run R without XQuartz, the text from the help screen renders
>>>>>> well. I think the problem seems to be related to XQuartz.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> José
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> José G. Conde, MD, MPH
>>>>>> Professor, School of Medicine
>>>>>> Director, CentIT2
>>>>>> UPR Medical Sciences Campus
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tel  (787) 763-9401 Fax (787) 758-5206
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Email: jose.conde1 at upr.edu
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> URL: http://rcmi.rcm.upr.edu
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 15, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Jose G Conde Santiago
>>>>>> <jose.conde1 at upr.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> … and the same I get the same issue with R “help” screens in my iMac.
>>>>>> I cannot reproduce this in the macBook.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> José
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <R help .png>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> José G. Conde, MD, MPH
>>>>>>> Catedrático, Escuela de Medicina
>>>>>>> Director, CentIT2
>>>>>>> Recinto de Ciencias Médicas, UPR
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tel  (787) 763-9401  Fax (787) 758-5206
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Correo electrónico: jose.conde1 at upr.edu
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> URL: http://rcmi.rcm.upr.edu
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Jose G Conde Santiago
>>>>>> <jose.conde1 at upr.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This is the actual resolutions.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> José
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <Fonts 20 points.png>
>>>>>>>> José G. Conde, MD, MPH
>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Medicine
>>>>>>>> Director, CentIT2
>>>>>>>> UPR Medical Sciences Campus
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Tel  (787) 763-9401 Fax (787) 758-5206
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Email: jose.conde1 at upr.edu
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> URL: http://rcmi.rcm.upr.edu
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Jose G Conde Santiago
>>>>>> <jose.conde1 at upr.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <Fonts 20 points.png>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>> Solbjerg Plads 3, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark
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>>> Email: pd.mes at cbs.dk  Priv: PDalgd at gmail.com
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>> Center for Statistics, Copenhagen Business School
>> Solbjerg Plads 3, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark
>> Phone: (+45)38153501
>> Office: A 4.23
>> Email: pd.mes at cbs.dk  Priv: PDalgd at gmail.com
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> Phone: (+45)38153501
> Office: A 4.23
> Email: pd.mes at cbs.dk  Priv: PDalgd at gmail.com
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