[R-SIG-Mac] R commander fonts on R 3.4.0
Fox, John
jfox at mcmaster.ca
Fri Jul 7 19:16:19 CEST 2017
Dear Simon and Peter,
Thank you very much for taking care of this -- the fonts look much better now.
Best,
John
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John Fox, Professor
McMaster University
Hamilton, Ontario
Canada L8S 4M4
web: socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox
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From: R-SIG-Mac [r-sig-mac-bounces at r-project.org] on behalf of Simon Urbanek [simon.urbanek at r-project.org]
Sent: July 7, 2017 7:39 AM
To: peter dalgaard
Cc: r-sig-mac at r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R commander fonts on R 3.4.0
FWIW the issue should be resolved in R 3.4.1 - the default in Tcl/Tk is to build without Xft so for R 3.4.1 we have now re-build Tcl/Tk 8.6.6 binary with explicitly enabled Xft.
Cheers,
Simon
> On May 16, 2017, at 7:30 PM, Simon Urbanek <simon.urbanek at r-project.org> wrote:
>
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>> On May 16, 2017, at 12:20 PM, peter dalgaard <pdalgd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Mystery solved after looking into the actual .pkg files. They simply contain a full Tcl/Tk which installs into /usr/local, which obviously affects anything that links it dynamically. I somehow thought that they would install somewhere separate. (Stop grinning, Simon!)
>>
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> I'm not sure I understand the "they" - is it us? The difference in R 3.4.0 is that we are using everything from the system (and XQuartz) whereas before we were building dependencies ourselves before.
>
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>> Anyways, the way forward must be to get Tcl/Tk compiled exactly as they were in 3.3.x.
>>
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> R before 3.4.0 we used Tcl/Tk 8.6.0 for OS X Mavericks from 2013, for R 3.4.0 we are using Tcl/Tk 8.6.6 for El Capitan.
>
> FWIW the config flags were
> --disable-corefoundation --disable-framework --disable-aqua --enable-64bit --with-tcl=/usr/local/lib --with-x --x-includes=/opt/X11/include --x-libraries=/opt/X11/lib CC=clang CXX=clang++
>
> I have no idea what you are talking about here so if anyone has suggestions to test, let me know.
>
> Cheers,
> Simon
>
>
>
>> -pd
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>>> On 16 May 2017, at 15:18 , peter dalgaard <pdalgd at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Double-checked: Indeed, installing 3.3-branch-mavericks.pkg enables xft on my local builds of R-patched and R-devel. Hmmmm......
>>>
>>> -pd
>>>
>>>> On 16 May 2017, at 14:55 , peter dalgaard <pdalgd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Curiouser and curiouser, now my local build of R-devel stopped using xft _without any recompile_ I swear that it worked before I installed R-3.4.0.pkg....
>>>>
>>>> I have both /opt/local/ and /usr/local variants of Tcl/Tk 8.6 and only the former has wish8.6 understanding the tk::pkgconfig stuff, so there is plenty of room for confusion. The latter seems to be from Simon's site; the other one could be a MacPorts relic...
>>>>
>>>> -pd
>>>>
>>>>> On 16 May 2017, at 13:28 , peter dalgaard <pdalgd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a build issue relating to Tcl/Tk, not specifically Rcmdr (Rcmdr does something slightly weird[*] with the fonts too, but this seems to be orthogonal to the ugly-font issue).
>>>>>
>>>>> To see the issue quickly, try
>>>>>
>>>>> library(tcltk)
>>>>> .Tcl("::tk::pkgconfig get fontsystem")
>>>>>
>>>>> With CRAN 3.3.3, I get
>>>>>
>>>>> <Tcl> xft
>>>>>
>>>>> and likewise with a local nightly build of R-devel, but CRAN 3.4.0 says
>>>>>
>>>>>> .Tcl("::tk::pkgconfig get fontsystem")
>>>>> Error in .Tcl("::tk::pkgconfig get fontsystem") :
>>>>> could not find function ".Tcl"
>>>>>
>>>>> as does a local build of R-patched (???!!!).
>>>>>
>>>>> This is pretty weird. I'll see if I can dig up some more about where the difference is.
>>>>>
>>>>> -pd
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [*] Try library(tcltk); demo(tkfaq) then library(Rcmdr) and watch the font change in the tkfaq window.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15 May 2017, at 23:17 , Fox, John <jfox at mcmaster.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Jose,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a bit difficult to respond to your latest messages because you sent so many of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not entirely sure what's producing your font problems -- perhaps Simon will have some additional ideas -- but you should be aware that you can't load the Rcmdr package -- or, more generally, the tcltk package -- without XQuartz (or another X11 system). Normally, XQuartz should start automatically when the Rcmdr (or tcltk) package is loaded. That is, you should not have to start it separately.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It may help to know that the Rcmdr package selects its default dialog font by querying the default Tk font, via the command
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tclvalue(.Tcl("font actual TkDefaultFont -family"))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and sets the font for commands and output by querying the default Tk fixed-width font:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tclvalue(.Tcl("font actual TkFixedFont -family"))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On my Macs, these are respectively the helvetica and courier fonts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any event, I'm glad that you seem to have solved your problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Jose G Conde Santiago [mailto:jose.conde1 at upr.edu]
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:18 PM
>>>>>>> To: Simon Urbanek <simon.urbanek at r-project.org>; Fox, John
>>>>>>> <jfox at mcmaster.ca>; r-sig-mac at r-project.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R commander fonts on R 3.4.0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I run R without XQuartz, the text from the help screen renders
>>>>>>> well. I think the problem seems to be related to XQuartz.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> José
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> José G. Conde, MD, MPH
>>>>>>> Professor, School of Medicine
>>>>>>> Director, CentIT2
>>>>>>> UPR Medical Sciences Campus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tel (787) 763-9401 Fax (787) 758-5206
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email: jose.conde1 at upr.edu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> URL: http://rcmi.rcm.upr.edu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Jose G Conde Santiago
>>>>>>> <jose.conde1 at upr.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> … and the same I get the same issue with R “help” screens in my iMac.
>>>>>>> I cannot reproduce this in the macBook.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> José
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <R help .png>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> José G. Conde, MD, MPH
>>>>>>>> Catedrático, Escuela de Medicina
>>>>>>>> Director, CentIT2
>>>>>>>> Recinto de Ciencias Médicas, UPR
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tel (787) 763-9401 Fax (787) 758-5206
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Correo electrónico: jose.conde1 at upr.edu
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> URL: http://rcmi.rcm.upr.edu
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Jose G Conde Santiago
>>>>>>> <jose.conde1 at upr.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is the actual resolutions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> José
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <Fonts 20 points.png>
>>>>>>>>> José G. Conde, MD, MPH
>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Medicine
>>>>>>>>> Director, CentIT2
>>>>>>>>> UPR Medical Sciences Campus
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tel (787) 763-9401 Fax (787) 758-5206
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Email: jose.conde1 at upr.edu
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> URL: http://rcmi.rcm.upr.edu
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Jose G Conde Santiago
>>>>>>> <jose.conde1 at upr.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <Fonts 20 points.png>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>> Office: A 4.23
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>> Phone: (+45)38153501
>> Office: A 4.23
>> Email: pd.mes at cbs.dk Priv: PDalgd at gmail.com
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