[R-gui] Re: [R] Feedback about SciViews?

Zed Shaw zedshaw at zedshaw.com
Wed Apr 30 04:36:37 MEST 2003


Hmm, I didn't think I was directly attacking any one individual in the 
"R priesthood", but if I did, they can e-mail me and I'll appologize 
for hurting their feelings.

Zed


On Wednesday, April 30, 2003, at 03:15 AM, Philippe Grosjean wrote:

> Zed, Byron,
>
> As moderator of this mailing list, I have no intention to censurate 
> this
> very interesting discussion. However, I have no objection on the 
> subject but
> I ask you to behave a little bit more respectfully with the work or 
> ideas of
> other people.
>
> I understand pretty much your feeling, Zed, about the million of 
> things that
> are not programmed as it should be in R for being the perfect backend, 
> or
> scripting language. I have the same feeling, and I certainly share 
> with you
> hundred of hours lost in finding a solution to such or such damn ill
> behaviour in R... However, Byron and Zed, you should keep in mind that:
>
> 1) R is designed and developed as a high level data analysis language 
> to be
> accessed at the command line, and it is excellent for that, otherwise 
> it
> would never get the success it has. It is thus normal that its 
> behavious is
> far from perfect for what it is not designed for: GUI and scripting
> language.
>
> 2) Making a GUI on top of R is not such an easy task. Either, the GUI 
> must
> adapt to the particular behaviour of R or R must be redesigned to be a 
> nicer
> backend (answer is probably in the middle at the long-term if there is 
> a
> real willing in R-core team to promote the development of R GUIs).
>
> Please, convert your doleances into constructive suggestions and avoid
> direct attacks of persons. Most R developers are very competent and
> recognized statisticians and/or programmers and they would not 
> tolerate it.
>
> Best,
>
> Philippe Grosjean
>
>
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