[R-sig-Geo] rgdal release candidate 1.5-9 rev. 1000 ready for testing
Patrick Schratz
p@tr|ck@@chr@tz @end|ng |rom gm@||@com
Sat Jun 6 16:28:24 CEST 2020
Roger,
I am sorry for arguing differently so often recently, but if I think
that unfair arguing is going on, I have the feeling to correct this.
First, again I think that stating "I do not have access to this system"
is a weak reason in 2020.
I've said this previously but again: As a developer/maintainer, there is
the implicit burden to set up a dev environment across different
platforms.
CI helps here.
For more detailed testing, local emulation is possible via virtual
machines which also applies to macOS systems (setting up is harder but
not impossible).
Before switching back to macOS a few months ago, I had a virtual machine
of macOS running and used it successfully for dev purposes.
Second: All package managers seek to provide stability and homebrew is
one of the most sophisticated ones out there.
I honestly do not understand the general bashing against package
managers here.
Third: What role does Apple play in all of this? I am not arguing that
they made some decisions that did not necessarily enhance the dev
experience on macOS.
However, I do not see any of these having an effect on the spatial
library stack, especially GDAL and PROJ.
The current situation is that the **main** package manager on macOS,
namely homebrew, has a temporary version situation of GDAL and PROJ that
is (for no clear reason yet) blocked by the client package rgdal.
Users on macOS can however use the formulas of the osgeo4mac
(https://github.com/OSGeo/homebrew-osgeo4mac) tap which comes with PROJ7
and GDAL3 to solve these issues.
```r
brew tap osgeo/osgeo4mac
brew unlink gdal
brew unlink proj
brew install osgeo-gdal
brew install osgeo-proj
brew link osgeo-gdal
brew link osgeo-proj
```
I am well aware that many users of spatial software are not developers
in their every day life and should stick to binaries.
However, there is a group that does source installs and there are CI
checks that rely on proper source installations with the current stack
of the main package managers on a platform.
And exactly this group is blocked right now by blocking the rgdal
installation at all, with a somewhat weak reasoning for this action.
In addition, arguing/ranting about specific platforms with points
unrelated to the current issues is a thing that I absolutely dislike,
getting me started arguing against it.
I also do not like certain platforms and have personal favorites.
However, I always check on all and make sure that everyone gets a
pleasant experience on their platform, even if that's painful for me and
costs a lot of time.
I am well aware that I might not be invited to the next imaginary party
with my arguing here but maybe the discussion can make use of more real
facts again, lower subjective views, and focus on providing support for
everyone, on all platforms, without introducing something like a
"platform racism" with semi-fake news.
Best, Patrick
On 6 Jun 2020, at 15:45, Roger Bivand wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Jun 2020, Ista Zahn wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 7:47 PM Manuel Spínola <mspinola10 using gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear list members,
>>>
>>> Sorry for the confusion, but with all these suggestions, what is the
>>> way to
>>> have the updated versions of the external
>>> software GEOS, PROJ, and GDAL for macOS users.
>>
>> I think the current recommendation is "if you have to ask don't do
>> it". Just wait for these to be updated in the OSX binary packages on
>> CRAN.
>
> Thanks, a much better way of saying this!
>
> We really would like to be able to help macOS users who see "Install
> from source?" and are tempted to choose "yes", but not only do we not
> have the resources or access to running systems, but also, at the
> moment, things seem very unpredictable. We do not think that
> environments are helpful, and many package managers do not seem to
> have sufficient focussed attention, which is understandable given
> Apple's gift for moving the goalposts.
>
> If users can install external software from source (macOS, Linux),
> they/we have a good deal of freedom. But this takes time, insight, and
> for many is problematic because their production system is blocked
> until the new versions are ready (PROJ and GDAL are C++11 or more, and
> take an order of magnitude longer to compile than just a few years
> ago).
>
> So for Windows and macOS, waiting for the CRAN binaries is a
> reasonable choice.
>
> Beyond this, we need to find ways of providing share/proj and
> share/gdal metadata files for all of the packages now using the PROJ
> and GDAL libraries, and of navigating the content download network for
> geodetic transformation grids available from PROJ 7. But that is
> another story ...
>
> Roger
>
>>
>> Best,
>> Ista
>>
>>>
>>> Manuel
>>>
>>> El vie., 5 jun. 2020 a las 14:31, Patrick Schratz (<
>>> patrick.schratz using gmail.com>) escribió:
>>>
>>>> I am not sure if the part with
>>>>
>>>> use --with-proj_api="proj_api.h" for deprecated API
>>>>
>>>> Is of much help since c/p won’t work but the text let’s people
>>>> assume that c/p could/should work.
>>>> In fact, a full path to “proj_api.h” is required?
>>>>
>>>> I still do not like this blocker and I still do not know if this
>>>> combination causes serious issues in production or just limits new
>>>> features.
>>>>
>>>> For the time being, using and linking osgeo-gdal (3.0.1) and
>>>> osgeo-proj
>>>> (7.0.1) works and can be used as a workaround until homebrew-core
>>>> formulas catch up.
>>>>
>>>>> checks OK on PROJ 7.0.1 and GDAL 2.2.4
>>>>
>>>> Again, since it was maybe caused by my typo a few mails ago: The
>>>> homebred-core gdal version is at 2.4.4 and not 2.2.4.
>>>>
>>>> On 5 Jun 2020, at 13:29, Roger Bivand wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The release candidate of rgdal_1.5-9 is ready for testing on
>>>>> R-forge:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://r-forge.r-project.org/R/?group_id=884
>>>>>
>>>>> Those insisting on installing on PROJ >= 6 and GDAL < 3 must use
>>>>> configure argument --with-proj_api="proj_api.h"; with this used,
>>>>> this
>>>>> version builds with --no-build-vignettes and installs and checks
>>>>> OK on
>>>>> PROJ 7.0.1 and GDAL 2.2.4 with --with-proj_api="proj_api.h".
>>>>>
>>>>> Otherwise checked OK with PROJ 4.8.0, 4.9.2, 4.9.3 and 5.2.0 with
>>>>> GDAL
>>>>> 1.11.4; with PROJ 5.2.0 and GDAL 2.2.4, 2.3.2 and 2.4.2; with PROJ
>>>>> 6.3.2 and GDAL 3.0.4; with PROJ 7.0.1 and GDAL 3.0.4 and 3.1.0.
>>>>>
>>>>> All who have indicated issues with source installs are asked to
>>>>> try
>>>>> the release candidate and to report back here by midnight CEST
>>>>> Monday
>>>>> 8 June. If no indications are forthcoming, I'll assume that
>>>>> problems
>>>>> with 1.5-8 are resolved.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Roger Bivand
>>>>> Department of Economics, Norwegian School of Economics,
>>>>> Helleveien 30, N-5045 Bergen, Norway.
>>>>> voice: +47 55 95 93 55; e-mail: Roger.Bivand using nhh.no
>>>>> https://orcid.org/0000-0003-2392-6140
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