[R-sig-Geo] kriging [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Jin.Li at ga.gov.au Jin.Li at ga.gov.au
Fri Jul 4 02:18:32 CEST 2008 

Hi All,

I have recently reviewed the spatial interpolation methods for environmental
scientists. Regression kriging (RK) is one of over 40 methods reviewed. Here
attached is what I described in the draft of my review. Obviously, RK
described in the review is different from Edzer's approach. Any comment?
Thanks.
Cheers,

Jin

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Jin Li, PhD
Spatial Modeller/
Computational Statistician
Marine & Coastal Environment
Geoscience Australia

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-----Original Message-----
From: r-sig-geo-bounces at stat.math.ethz.ch
[mailto:r-sig-geo-bounces at stat.math.ethz.ch] On Behalf Of Edzer Pebesma
Sent: Thursday, 3 July 2008 9:33
To: Hengl, T.
Cc: r-sig-geo at stat.math.ethz.ch; Dave Depew
Subject: Re: [R-sig-Geo] kriging

Hengl, T. wrote:
> I agree with Paulo - gstat can work with any linear model including the
transforms of the original predictors e.g.:
>
> Z ~ X + X^2 + Y + Y^2    etc.
>
> The problem is that gstat implements the so-called
Kriging-with-external-trend algorithm to make predictions (see section 2.1 of
my lecture notes), which is mathematically more elegant, but then it accepts
only a family of linear models (and not GLMs, regreesion-trees etc.). I have
been promoting the concept of regression-kriging (deterministic and
stochastic predictions seperated), but we still did not implement it in any
package so far.
>   
And I can see why, as there are quite a few problems still to solve 
(afaik) ahead of you. When you cut the problem in two, do the regression 
estimation and residual prediction in two separate processes (often 
under different assumptions, e.g. wrt spatial correlation) you ignore 
the correlation between the two. Finding a prediction variance by 
naively adding the variances of the two components e.g. does not yield 
zero variance at observation locations, because a non-zero correlation 
is ignored. At other locations, this correlation is also non-zero. 
Furthermore, if you cut the problem in two for e.g. binomial or Poisson 
distributed cases, in this approach you likely end up with negative 
predictions or predictions above one for the binomial case.

Does the paper you refer to (by yourself) give solutions to these two 
problems?
> You can at any time separate the predictions (e.g. krige only the
residuals), but then gstat will not give you the regression-kriging variance,
and you can not run geostatistical simulations.
>   
No, of course not, for the reasons mentioned above. The gstat approach 
is: if you want to make a mess, please take responsibility for it by 
yourself (and don't blame me--through the package). There is a paper I 
did it with count data, though, which is

E.J. Pebesma, R.N.M. Duin, P.A. Burrough, 2005. Mapping Sea Bird 
Densities over the North Sea: Spatially Aggregated Estimates and 
Temporal Changes. Environmetrics 16 
<http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/jissue/110577560>, (6), p 
573-587 <http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/env.723>.

and (part of) the analysis is found in

library(gstat)
demo(fulmar)

I'm also confused by this term "regression kriging". Would you claim 
that the universal kriging/kriging with (one or more) external drifts 
implemented by gstat is not regression kriging? Are you actually working 
on a package that does do regression kriging as you define it?
--
Edzer

> see also:
> https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-sig-geo/2008-February/003174.html
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Tom Hengl
> http://spatial-analyst.net
>
> Hengl, T., 2007. A Practical Guide to Geostatistical Mapping of
> Environmental Variables. EUR 22904 EN Scientific and Technical Research
> series, Office for Official Publications of the European Communities,
> Luxemburg, 143 pp.
> http://bookshop.europa.eu/uri?target=EUB:NOTICE:LBNA22904:EN:HTML
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: r-sig-geo-bounces at stat.math.ethz.ch on behalf of Dave Depew
> Sent: Mon 6/16/2008 10:54 PM
> To: Paulo Justiniano Ribeiro Jr
> Cc: r-sig-geo at stat.math.ethz.ch
> Subject: Re: [R-sig-Geo] kriging
>  
> Ok,
> What about higher order polynomials? I have fitted one using a gam to 
> the data which which helps to normalize the residuals, and reduce the 
> variance of the residuals.
> Is it simply a matter of plugging in the function into the gstat command 
> line? Or is it simpler to krig the residuals and then add the trend back 
> to the interpolated residual grid?
>
>
> Paulo Justiniano Ribeiro Jr wrote:
>   
>> Dave,
>>
>> what is necessary for UK is a relation expressed by a linear model, not
>> necessaraly a linear relation between the variables.
>> e.g. you could have a second degree polinomial and still work within the
>> scope of universal kriging.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Dave Depew wrote:
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have a data set that I would like to krige to interpolate between
>>> transects. There is a non-linear trend between two of the variables...my
>>> impression from reading the gstat help file is that there must be a
>>> linear relationship between the data to use universal kriging?
>>> Second, would a method of non-linear regression followed by modelling of
>>> the residuals with a semivariogram be an appropriate solution?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
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>>>       
>> Paulo Justiniano Ribeiro Jr
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>> Universidade Federal do Parana
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>>
>>
>>
>>     
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Edzer Pebesma
Institute for Geoinformatics (IfGI)
University of Münster
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