[R] Good Will Legal Question

John Fox j|ox @end|ng |rom mcm@@ter@c@
Tue Mar 21 18:48:52 CET 2023

Dear Timothy,

On 2023-03-21 1:38 p.m., Ebert,Timothy Aaron wrote:
> My guess: It I clear from the link that they can use the R logo for commercial purposes. The issue is what to do about the "appropriate credit" and "link to the license." How would I do that on a hoodie? Would they need a web address or something?

That's a good question, and one that I missed -- the implicit focus is 
on using the logo, e.g., in software.

With the caveat that I'm not speaking for the R Foundation, I think that 
it would be sufficient to provide credit and a link to the license on 
the webpage that sells the hoodie. FWIW, I (and I expect you) have seen 
many t-shirts, etc., with R logos, some from companies, and I even have 
a few. I doubt that anyone will care.


> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [R] Good Will Legal Question
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> Dear Arid Sweeting,
> R-help is probably not the place to ask this question, although perhaps since you're seeking moral advice, people might want to say something. I would normally expect to see a query like this addressed to the R website webmasters, of which I'm one -- with the caveat that the R Foundation doesn't give legal advice.
> Just to be sure, you say that you read the rules for use of the R logo, so I assume that you've seen <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.r-project.org%2Flogo%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctebert%40ufl.edu%7C99f01774c9f5452bd99a08db2a31ec23%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331e1b84%7C0%7C0%7C638150166126816193%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jNvmCKITcZFcmqiRqkjqZnJVY3TYuD3wu3Mp0zhSHPs%3D&reserved=0>, which seems entirely clear to me. I think that it's safe to say that if the R Foundation wanted to limit commercial use of the R logo, it wouldn't have released it under the CC-BY-SA 4.0 license. I'm not sure what moral issues concern you.
> I hope this helps,
>    John
> John Fox, Professor Emeritus
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> On 2023-03-21 6:18 a.m., Coding Hoodies wrote:
>> Hi R Team!,
>> We are opening a new start up soon, codinghoodies.com, we want to make coders feel stylish.
>> Out of goodwill I wanted to ask you formally if I can have permission to use the standard R logo on the front of hoodies to sell? I have read your rules but wanted to ask as I feel a moral right to email you asking to show support and respect for the R project.
>> If it makes it easier I could build send a picture of the hoodie with the logo on to you to see if this is acceptable.
>> Arid Sweeting
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