[R] unequal variance assumption for lme (mixed effect model)

[shirley zhang]

Thanks for Spencer and Simon's help.  I've got very interesting
results based on your suggestions.

One more question,  how to handle unequal variance problme in lm()?
Isn't the weights option also, which means weighted least squares,
right?  Can you give me an example of setting this parameter in lm()
to account for  different variance assumption in each group?

Thanks again,
Shirley


On 6/29/07, Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at pdf.com> wrote:
> <comments in line>
>
> shirley zhang wrote:
> > Hi Simon,
> >
> > Thanks for your reply. Your reply reminds me that book. I've read it
> > long time ago, but haven't  try the weights option in my projects
> > yet:)
> >
> > Is the heteroscedastic test always less powerful because we have to
> > estimate the within group variance from the given data?
> >
> SG:  In general, I suspect we generally lose power when we estimate more
> parameters.
>
> SG:  You can check this using the 'simulate.lme' function, whose use is
> illustrated in the seminal work reported in sect. 2.4 of Pinheiro and
> Bates (2000) Mixed-Effects Models in S and S-Plus (Springer).
> > Should we check whether each group has equal variance before using
> > weights=varIdent()? If we should, what is the function for linear
> > mixed model?
> >
> SG:  The general advice I've seen is to avoid excessive
> overparameterization of heterscedasticity and correlations.  However,
> parsimonious correlation had heterscedasticity models would likely be
> wise.  Years ago, George Box expressed concern about people worrying too
> much about outliers, which are often fairly obvious and relatively easy
> to detect, while they worried too little, he thought, about dependence,
> especially serial dependence, which is generally more difficult to
> detect and creates bigger problems in inference than outliers.  He
> wrote, "Why worry about mice when there are tigers about?"
>
> SG:  Issues of this type can be fairly easily evaluated using
> 'simulate.lme'.
>
>      Hope this helps.
>      Spencer Graves
> > Thanks,
> > Shirley
> >
> > On 6/27/07, Simon Blomberg <s.blomberg1 at uq.edu.au> wrote:
> >
> >> The default settings for lme do assume equal variances within groups.
> >> You can change that by using the various varClasses. see ?varClasses. A
> >> simple example would be to allow unequal variances across groups. So if
> >> your call to lme was:
> >>
> >> lme(...,random=~1|group,...)
> >>
> >> then to allow each group to have its own variance, use:
> >>
> >> lme(...,random=~1|group, weights=varIdent(form=~1|group),...)
> >>
> >> You really really should read Pinheiro & Bates (2000). It's all there.
> >>
> >> HTH,
> >>
> >> Simon.
> >>
> >> , On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 21:55 -0400, shirley zhang wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Douglas and R-help,
> >>>
> >>> Does lme assume normal distribution AND equal variance among groups
> >>> like anova() does? If it does, is there any method like unequal
> >>> variance T-test (Welch T) in lme when each group has unequal variance
> >>> in my data?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Shirley
> >>>
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