[R] Grumble ...

(Ted Harding) Ted.Harding at nessie.mcc.ac.uk
Wed Nov 24 14:28:49 CET 2004

On 24-Nov-04 Martin Maechler wrote:
>>>>>> "Ted" == Ted Harding <Ted.Harding at nessie.mcc.ac.uk>
> [...]
>     Ted> [...]  The "Challenge"
>     Ted> mechanism would destroy the mailing-list community if
>     Ted> it became widely adopted.
> Exactly.
> I've received such a message myself from the same "machine" and
> -- as mailing list manager -- tried to find out more.
> The problem is that diagnosticando at uol.com.br is not subscribed
> to R-help. One other person is and I have written e-mail to that
> address withOUT getting such a message back..
> Again, I completely agree that it is absolutely inacceptable 
> to subscribe from such a spam-blocking address.
>     Ted> One reason I am posting this grumble to R-help is in
>     Ted> the hope that I get a challenge to this one too. In
>     Ted> that case, once and for all, I shall respond, so that
>     Ted> the recipient will see this message and (I hope) do
>     Ted> something about it, to eliminate the "Challenge"
>     Ted> responder (I can't find the true recipient's email
>     Ted> address from the "Challenge").
> please let me (or R-help too) know what you find out.
> Martin Maechler, ETH Zurich
> (R-help mailing list maintainer)

Hi Martin,
I'm pleased to receive such positive support! (I was apprehensive
about annoying the list with this issue).

I did get a "Challenge" to the Grumble, so I confirmed that one.
I have heard nothing yet from anyone who might be connected to
uol.com.br but of course may do so later.

I visited the uol.com.br website and found the following on it:


  4. Como autorizar listas de discussão?
  As mensagens de algumas listas/grupos de discussão
  chegam com o campo "Para:" preenchido com um e-mail
  que não é o seu (e sim o e-mail geral da lista).
  Para receber estas mensagens em sua pasta de entrada,
  acesse o Web Mail e clique no opção Grupos/Listas do
  AntiSpam UOL. Em seguida, autorize o e-mail das listas
  que você participa.

which, as well as I can understand it, suggests that someone
subscribed to a mailing list can set that mailing-list as an
acceptable sender. What's not clear to me is whether, having
done that, it over-rides challenging the originator (e.g. me)
of the message.

Thanks, and best wishes,

E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding at nessie.mcc.ac.uk>
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Date: 24-Nov-04                                       Time: 13:28:49
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