[R] Grumble ...
maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch
Wed Nov 24 13:53:17 CET 2004
>>>>> "Ted" == Ted Harding <Ted.Harding at nessie.mcc.ac.uk>
>>>>> on Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:36:35 -0000 (GMT) writes:
Ted> Hi Folks, A Grumble ...
Ted> The message I just sent to R-help about "The hidden
Ted> costs of GPL ..." has evoked a "Challenge" response:
Ted> Hi, YouÂ´ve just sent a message to
Ted> diagnosticando at uol.com.br In order to confirm the sent
Ted> message, please click here
Ted> This confirmation is necessary because
Ted> diagnosticando at uol.com.br uses Antispam UOL, a service
Ted> that avoids unwanted messages like advertising,
Ted> pornography, viruses, and spams.
Ted> Other messages sent to diagnosticando at uol.com.br
Ted> won't need to be confirmed*. *If you receive another
Ted> confirmation request, please ask
Ted> diagnosticando at uol.com.br to include you in his/her
Ted> authorized e-mail list.
Ted> I won't be responding to this. Let the recipient simply
Ted> not receive the mail. Of no great importance in this
Ted> case, but a disadvantage to the recipient in the long
Ted> I disapprove strongly of this mechanism, and want to
Ted> oppose it. There must be a few thousand subscribers to
Ted> R-help. If the "Challenge" mechanism became widespread,
Ted> then I would receive thousands of such messages. Rather
Ted> than respond to all these, I would quit the list (and
Ted> of course probably many others). The "Challenge"
Ted> mechanism would destroy the mailing-list community if
Ted> it became widely adopted.
I've received such a message myself from the same "machine" and
-- as mailing list manager -- tried to find out more.
The problem is that diagnosticando at uol.com.br is not subscribed
to R-help. One other person is and I have written e-mail to that
address withOUT getting such a message back..
Again, I completely agree that it is absolutely inacceptable
to subscribe from such a spam-blocking address.
Ted> One reason I am posting this grumble to R-help is in
Ted> the hope that I get a challenge to this one too. In
Ted> that case, once and for all, I shall respond, so that
Ted> the recipient will see this message and (I hope) do
Ted> something about it, to eliminate the "Challenge"
Ted> responder (I can't find the true recipient's email
Ted> address from the "Challenge").
please let me (or R-help too) know what you find out.
Martin Maechler, ETH Zurich
(R-help mailing list maintainer)
Ted> The recipient may be able to recognise themselves from
Ted> the fact that they receive this message but not the
Ted> message which triggered the response, which began:
Ted> ======================================= On 24-Nov-04
Ted> John wrote:
>> Off hand, the costs of GPL'd software are not hidden at
>> all. R for instance demands that a would be user sit
>> down and learn the language. This in turn pushes a user
>> into learning more about statistics than the simple
>> overview that Stat 1 presents a student.
Ted> I'd see this as less a cost than a benefit!
Ted> My apologies for bothering you with this if you didn't
Ted> want to know about it.
Ted> Best wishes to all, Ted.
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