[Rd] RE: [R] debugging non-visible functions
andy_liaw at merck.com
Wed Oct 13 17:12:32 CEST 2004
> From: Duncan Temple Lang
> Prof Brian Ripley wrote:
> > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Liaw, Andy wrote:
> > > On a slightly different topic: In R-2.0.0, packages with
> NAMESPACE no
> > > longer need to use the package= argument in .C/.Fortran.
> Does that mean if
> > > I remove those arguments, I should put R version >= 2.0.0
> in the Depend
> > > field of the DESCRIPTION?
> > I think you should not remove the PACKAGE= (sic) arguments.
> There has
> > been little (none I have seen) discussion of that change,
> and Duncan TL
> > will be able to elucidate. But the reason given in NEWS to
> omit them
> > relates to loading more than one versioned install of a
> package at once,
> > something we were told originally by Robert G was not intended to be
> > allowed (and that is assumed in quite a few places in the
> code -- there is
> > no way to have imports from a version of a namespace, for
> example -- and
> > indeed importing from versioned install of namespaces did
> not work in
> > 2.0.0). Duncan?
> The reason in the NEWS file is exactly the motivation.
> It is for cases where one explicitly loads a package (A) via
> the library() function,
> and a different version of that package is imported indirectly
> when loading another package via a dependency on an explicit
> version of A. And this is also the case when two packages (B and C)
> require different versions of the original package.
> A less pressing but useful use example is when one wants to compare
> results from different versions as one develops new releases.
> And similarly for reproducible research, we often need explicit
> versions of packages within a larger context of an existing R session.
> There are easy work around for some of these, but they are
> I don't recall the exact details of Robert's original
> statements on this topic. As with many features
> introduced in R, the initial work (e.g. on namespaces) is not
> entirely functional
> for all advanced, less-used aspects of other features being
> So we will have to allow a NAMESPACE to import from
> a particular version as things evolve. It is an issue,
> but I don't think we want to prohibit having
> different versions of a package loaded concurrently.
> Using a namespace provides a convenient way to find
> the associated DLL. We can also explicitly identify
The original problem I described to Robert is that, when I loaded two
versions of randomForest into R, calling the first one is fine, but calling
the second leads to segfault. This is probably just laziness on my part: I
was trying to see differences between the versions, as Duncan mentioned
above. This can be done in other ways, but it would be nice to do within
the same R session... I have not tried the new feature yet.
> > But if you do, yes you need (R >= 2.0.0) or R CMD check in earlier
> > versions will scold you and users could get bitten.
> And, as Andy well knows since he discovered the problem,
> if one doesn't use the new mechanism (i.e. with a NAMESPACE
> file and without the PACKAGE argument), users can get bitten
> too. Damned if you do, ...
> Not allowing versions is definitely easiest, but
> the feature is feasible and desirable.
> And dropping the PACKAGE argument makes the code more
> compatible with S-Plus and so easier to maintain common
> versions across both engines.
It may be icing on the cake, but I've pretty much given up on trying to
provide an S-PLUS version of RF, especially as I make more and more calls to
utility functions via the C API.
Thanks to y'all for the help!
> > Brian
> > --
> > Brian D. Ripley, ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk
> > Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/
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