[ESS-bugs] GH comments [Malformed background commands hang Emacs (#1110)]

[Vitalie Spinu]

Hi Martin,

The snippet is incomplete. Being scolded in public for meaning which
was never intended is not nice either.  The comments that you
excerpted came after I was accused of disrespect.

There was never an intent of an insult or disrespect on my side. How
could it even be? I hold a profound respect for all the time and
effort people put in open source. I did put many of my best years to
the cause, so I know how it feels  and how emotionally debilitating it
can become when it becomes too much of it.

https://github.com/emacs-ess/ESS/issues/1110#issuecomment-774495169

Anyways, IMO the entire thing is badly exaggerated. Those comments are
buried in context, no-one reads them anyhow, and we can delete them if
Lionel agrees.

> In GH (or stackoverflow, or ...) ad hominem  comments  can really be received quite painfully even if they were not meant to be at all.

That's definitely true. The person attacked should reach the other in
private and elaborate. The comment should be deleted if it's agreed to
be so harmful.

The original poster need not be aware of all the interpretations or of
the unintended consequence of the miswordings, (if such truly exist).
In retrospect I should have done it myself and reached Lionel in
private after he publicly accused me of disrespect. And that's what I
now regret.

  Vitalie

On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 at 12:13, Martin Maechler <maechler using stat.math.ethz.ch> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Lionel Henry  on Mon, 08 Feb 2021 02:25:28 -0800 writes:
>
> [............]
>
>     >> In fact seeing insult where it is not probably means you are badly overworked
> >> No. Saying that I play with fire is inconsiderate given the time that I put into this design and unit tests. I did not work on this lightly.
>
> [............]
>
> >>  Now you're insulting me again by making inferences about my psychology/personal life publicly. This is the second time you've done this here. The first time was 4 years ago and I haven't forgotten. Please don't. I'm not willing to interact with someone who does that.
>
> Please Vitalie (and Lionel, and everybody ..):
>
> Do not forget that github issue comments are 100% public, and saying
> things there is something entirely different than saying
> it here where it only goes to the ESS core team .. and we know
> anything said here  is not to be copied outside (unless maybe
> in a rare case after explicit permission ...).
>
> In GH (or stackoverflow, or ...)
> ad hominem  comments  can really be received quite painfully
> even if they were not meant to be at all.
>
> For a next such case, I propose that Vitalie should have stated
> his perception on the speed of changes either completely in
> private to Lionel or then here, were we are still in a
> comparably very private room.
>
> More generally, everybody remember that we promised ourselves to
> work as focussedly as possible towards an "official" ESS release
> (which I think is strongly related to what was named the
>  'next' milestone on GH).
>
> ----------------------------------
>
> Also, I think we had agreed this release should be "packaged"
> into an ESS+ release  which needs to contain at least
>
>      ESS and poly-R (*)
>
> *) at least those components of poly-R necessary for users to
>   conveniently dealy with both *.Rmd (via knitr or rmarkdown)
>   _and_  *.Rnw (via Sweave or knitr).
>
> This is one reason I finally had looked again at what I had and
> did update poly-R
>
> ... and now on my work-computer, where we have nice auto-backups
> of (almost) everything,
>
> I can see, as of  January 13 ,  inside my then  ~/.emacs.d/elpa/  :
>
>   drwxr-xr-x.  2 maechler sfsstaff 4096 Oct 31  2018 poly-R-0.1.5
>   drwxr-xr-x.  2 maechler sfsstaff 4096 Oct 31  2018 poly-markdown-0.1.5
>   drwxr-xr-x.  2 maechler sfsstaff 4096 Oct 31  2018 poly-noweb-0.1.5
>   drwxr-xr-x.  2 maechler sfsstaff 4096 Oct 31  2018 polymode-0.1.5
>
> which was indeed older than 2 years.
>
> -------------------------------
>
>
> Martin
>
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