[BioC] Does old workspace work?
Martin Morgan
mtmorgan at fhcrc.org
Fri Oct 31 19:08:06 CET 2008
Loren Engrav wrote:
> Got it, thank you
> So the new ExpressionSets are Ok, cool
> But one thing as I am still exploring the old data and the new
> If I do show(obj) with the old exprSet I can see the data in the file
> If I do show(obj) with the new ExpressionSet I just get a summary
> How do I show(obj) and see the data in the new ExpressionSet
> I checked ?show and google but could not find the answer
> library(Biobase)
> data(sample.ExpressionSet)
> obj <- sample.ExpressionSet # easier to type#
> obj
ExpressionSet (storageMode: lockedEnvironment)
assayData: 500 features, 26 samples
element names: exprs, se.exprs
phenoData
sampleNames: A, B, ..., Z (26 total)
varLabels and varMetadata description:
sex: Female/Male
type: Case/Control
score: Testing Score
featureData
featureNames: AFFX-MurIL2_at, AFFX-MurIL10_at, ..., 31739_at (500 total)
fvarLabels and fvarMetadata description: none
experimentData: use 'experimentData(object)'
Annotation: hgu95av2
The output is meant to suggest how to access elements, e.g.,
> assayData(obj)
<environment: 0xf00858>
> assayData(obj)
<environment: 0xf00858>
> sampleNames(obj)
[1] "A" "B" "C" "D" "E" "F" "G" "H" "I" "J" "K" "L" "M" "N" "O" "P"
"Q" "R" "S"
[20] "T" "U" "V" "W" "X" "Y" "Z"
> phenoData(obj)
An object of class "AnnotatedDataFrame"
sampleNames: A, B, ..., Z (26 total)
varLabels and varMetadata description:
sex: Female/Male
type: Case/Control
score: Testing Score
details are on ?ExpressionSet and related classes.
Martin
>> sessionInfo()
> R version 2.8.0 Patched (2008-10-26 r46783)
> i386-apple-darwin9.5.0
>
> locale:
> C
>
> attached base packages:
> [1] tools stats graphics grDevices utils datasets methods
> base
>
> other attached packages:
> [1] Biobase_2.2.0
>
>
>
>> From: Martin Morgan <mtmorgan at fhcrc.org>
>> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:42:44 -0700
>> To: Loren Engrav <engrav at u.washington.edu>
>> Cc: "bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch" <bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch>
>> Subject: Re: [BioC] Does old workspace work?
>>
>> Loren Engrav wrote:
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> str(obj) returned
>>> @ se.exprs : num [0 , 0]
>>> so I guess there were none
>>>
>>> I find on the web se.exprs is/was standard error estimates
>>>
>>> The old object came in Jan Feb Mar of 2007 as below
>>>
>>> AA_ReadAffy <- ReadAffy() to read 60 Affy .cel files
>>> ABeset_gcrma <- gcrma (AA_ReadAffy) to gcrma it
>>>
>>> After the above I went on and did library (maanova) stuff
>>>
>>> Does it matter if the old ABeset_gcrma object had no std error estimates?
>> Few downstream steps made use of the standard errors, and many upstream
>> methods (including gcrma) didn't / couldn't produce standard errors.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>>> From: Martin Morgan <mtmorgan at fhcrc.org>
>>>> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:33:55 -0700
>>>> To: Loren Engrav <engrav at u.washington.edu>
>>>> Cc: "bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch" <bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch>
>>>> Subject: Re: [BioC] Does old workspace work?
>>>>
>>>> Hi Loren --
>>>>
>>>> Loren Engrav <engrav at u.washington.edu> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> With the show(obj) function and the write.table function, I can see the
>>>>> stuff in the old objects so that may solve the immediate problem
>>>>>
>>>>> But changing exprSet to ExpressionSet is attractive
>>>>> And I see it has been discussed before (see below)
>>>>>
>>>>> ===========================
>>>>> [BioC] Error loading, on Bioconductor 1.8, exprSet generated with
>>>>> bioconductor 1.7
>>>>> Martin Morgan mtmorgan at fhcrc.org
>>>>> Thu Jun 8 18:11:14 CEST 2006
>>>>>
>>>>> Previous message: [BioC] Error loading, on Bioconductor 1.8,
>>>>> exprSet generated with bioconductor 1.7
>>>>> Next message: [BioC] [SPAM] Re: Error loading, on Bioconductor 1.8,
>>>>> exprSet generated with bioconductor 1.7
>>>>> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Raf,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the clarification. It sounds like you've found a good
>>>>> solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> The long-term intention is to move away from exprSet as the basic
>>>>> building block, and toward a similar 'ExpressionSet' class. With this
>>>>> in mind, you could also have done (with the current version of
>>>>> Biobase)
>>>>>
>>>>>> obj <- as(tr7.rma, "ExpressionSet")
>>>>> to obtain an ExpressionSet from your (broken) exprSet. An
>>>>> ExpressionSet has methods like exprs(), phenoData(), and pData() that
>>>>> work as exprSet methods, so for many purposes having an ExpressionSet
>>>>> is a great replacement for exprSet.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's important to be able to return to previous versions of objects,
>>>>> and make them 'current'. To that end, the development version of
>>>>> Biobase introduces ways of 'versioning' objects (so that it's easy to
>>>>> figure out when the object was created) and an 'updateObject' method
>>>>> to bring an object up to date. So in the next release of Biobase
>>>>> (available to those already using the 'development' branch of R)
>>>>> you'll be able to
>>>>>
>>>>>> obj <- updateObject(tr76.rma)
>>>>> and stand a reasonable chance of getting an object that satisfies the
>>>>> current definition of exprSet.
>>>>> =============================================
>>>>>
>>>>> So I try
>>>>>> ABeset_gcrmaExpressionSet <- as (ABeset_gcrma, "ExpressionSet")
>>>>> And get
>>>>>
>>>>> Loading required package: Biobase
>>>>> Loading required package: tools
>>>>>
>>>>> Welcome to Bioconductor
>>>>>
>>>>> Vignettes contain introductory material. To view, type
>>>>> 'openVignette()'. To cite Bioconductor, see
>>>>> 'citation("Biobase")' and for packages 'citation(pkgname)'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Warning message:
>>>>> In asMethod(object) :
>>>>> missing or mis-shaped 'se.exprs' in original object; creating
>>>>> ExpressionSet without se.exprs
>>>> At this point I think ABeset_gcrmaExpressionSet is fine; this is a
>>>> 'warning' message, not an error. The exprSet instance was 'supposed'
>>>> to contain an se.exprs matrix, but my guess is that ABeset_gcrma did
>>>> not (many exprSet instances did not). You might have luck with
>>>>
>>>>> str(ABeset_gcrma)
>>>> you might see something like (it's a little hard to recreate this on
>>>> 2.8.0)
>>>>
>>>> Formal class 'exprSet' [package "Biobase"] with 8 slots
>>>> ..@ exprs : num [1:500, 1:26] 192.7 97.1 45.8
>>>> .. ..- attr(*, "dimnames")=List of 2
>>>> .. .. ..$ : chr [1:500] "AFFX-MurIL2_at" "AFFX-MurIL10_at"
>>>> .. .. ..$ : chr [1:26] "A" "B" "C" "D" ...
>>>> ..@ se.exprs : num [1:500, 1:26] 2.85 3.24 3.05
>>>> .. ..- attr(*, "dimnames")=List of 2
>>>> .. .. ..$ : chr [1:500] "AFFX-MurIL2_at" "AFFX-MurIL10_at"
>>>> .. .. ..$ : chr [1:26] "A" "B" "C" "D" ...
>>>>
>>>> etc if se.exprs has dimensions 0 (instead of 'chr [1:500]' and 'chr
>>>> [1:26]' in the example above) then the se.exprs was missing or empty
>>>> and hence its loss not important. If it's not missing, then you can
>>>> decide how aggressively you want to rehabilitate your data. Likely
>>>> you'll be able to retrieve the se.exprs with
>>>>
>>>>> se <- slot(ABeset_gcrma, "se.exprs")
>>>> manipulate it to have the same dimenions and dimnames as your
>>>> ExpressionSet has, and add it, e.g.,
>>>>
>>>>> assayData(ABeset_gcrmaExpressionSet)[["se.exprs"]] <- se
>>>> I think normally you'll not have to go through these steps though, the
>>>> se.exprs of exprSet will have had no data in it.
>>>>
>>>>> Then I try
>>>>>> ABeset_gcrmaUPDATE <- updateObject(ABeset_gcrma)
>>>>> And get
>>>>> Error in updateObjectFromSlots(object, ..., verbose = verbose) :
>>>>> could not updateObject to class 'phenoData'
>>>>> consider defining an 'updateObject' method for class 'phenoData'
>>>> updateObject is meant to update 'within a class', e.g., from an old
>>>> version of ExpressionSet to a new version of ExpressionSet. Use 'as'
>>>> and you are probably ok.
>>>>
>>>> There may be issues, especially with very old exprSets, so let me know
>>>> if you have problems.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> All with
>>>>>> sessionInfo()
>>>>> R version 2.8.0 Patched (2008-10-26 r46783)
>>>>> i386-apple-darwin9.5.0
>>>>>
>>>>> locale:
>>>>> C
>>>>>
>>>>> attached base packages:
>>>>> [1] tools stats graphics grDevices utils datasets methods
>>>>> base
>>>>>
>>>>> other attached packages:
>>>>> [1] Biobase_2.2.0
>>>>>
>>>>>> .Machine$sizeof.pointer
>>>>> [1] 8
>>>>>
>>>>> Now since I can "see" the data with show and write.table I should probably
>>>>> quit, but for the fun of it, are either of these messages a "quick fix" for
>>>>> a novice?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Robert Gentleman <rgentlem at fhcrc.org>
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:57:36 -0700
>>>>>> To: Loren Engrav <engrav at u.washington.edu>
>>>>>> Cc: "bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch" <bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BioC] Does old workspace work?
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Re the quality of the link: You need to ask the owner, not this list
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and the answer to your second question is that it depends on what you
>>>>>> want to catch up on. Ideally packages should have up to date vignettes,
>>>>>> and they are your main starting point. Contact maintainers if the
>>>>>> vignettes are incomplete or out of date.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best wishes
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Loren Engrav wrote:
>>>>>>> Ok, I can deal with change
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One more question, to learn about and deal with the deprecated stuff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is the file at the url below current, or out of date?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> http://faculty.ucr.edu/~tgirke/Documents/R_BioCond/R_BioCondManual.html#Bio>>
>>> C
>>>>>>> primer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it is out of date, is there a better url to catch up fast?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Robert Gentleman <rgentlem at fhcrc.org>
>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:56:31 -0700
>>>>>>>> To: Loren Engrav <engrav at u.washington.edu>
>>>>>>>> Cc: "bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch" <bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BioC] Does old workspace work?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Loren Engrav wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ok, I will get my stuff modern
>>>>>>>>>> One more question
>>>>>>>>>> Those old saved workspaces and histories might be 32bit from before I
>>>>>>>>>> went
>>>>>>>>>> to 64bit
>>>>>>>>>> If they are 32bit workspaces will they work in 64bit (save for the
>>>>>>>>>> deprecated stuff)
>>>>>>> Currently that is the case. But I am not sure how long it will remain
>>>>>>> so, as it means that R cannot be truly 64bit, so likely in the next year
>>>>>>> or so some change will be needed. Of course, one will always be able to
>>>>>>> read 32 bit workspaces in 64bits, but the converse will not likely hold
>>>>>>> for very much longer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Robert Gentleman <rgentlem at fhcrc.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:31:21 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Loren Engrav <engrav at u.washington.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch" <bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BioC] Does old workspace work?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Loren Engrav wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sessionInfo()
>>>>>>>>>>>> R version 2.8.0 Patched (2008-10-26 r46783)
>>>>>>>>>>>> i386-apple-darwin9.5.0
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> locale:
>>>>>>>>>>>> en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8/C/C/en_US.UTF-8/en_US.UTF-8
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> attached base packages:
>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] splines tools stats graphics grDevices utils
>>>>>>>>>>>> datasets
>>>>>>>>>>>> methods base
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> other attached packages:
>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] simpleaffy_2.18.0 genefilter_1.22.0 survival_2.34-1
>>>>>>>>>>>> affyio_1.10.0
>>>>>>>>>>>> porcinecdf_2.3.0 gcrma_2.14.0 matchprobes_1.14.0 affy_1.20.0
>>>>>>>>>>>> Biobase_2.2.0
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> loaded via a namespace (and not attached):
>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] AnnotationDbi_1.4.0 DBI_0.2-4 RSQLite_0.7-1
>>>>>>>>>>>> annotate_1.20.0 preprocessCore_1.4.0
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ==============
>>>>>>>>>>>> A year or so ago I ran 64bit R on Mac PPC and saved various
>>>>>>>>>>>> workspaces
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now am running 64bit R on Intel 2x3.2 QuadCore and MacOS 10.5.5
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I load up the old workspaces
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I enter
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> write.exprs(ABeset_gcrma, file="ABeset_gcrma081028orig.txt")
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where ABeset_gcrma is an old file
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I get
>>>>>>>>>>>> Error in function (classes, fdef, mtable) :
>>>>>>>>>>>> unable to find an inherited method for function "write.exprs", for
>>>>>>>>>>>> signature
>>>>>>>>>>>> "exprSet"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It was probably more than a year ago - the exprSet class was
>>>>>>>>>>> deprecated and subsequently made defunct.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You could try to do:
>>>>>>>>>>> library(Biobase)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> updateObject(ABeset_gcrma)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> failing that, you can try something like
>>>>>>>>>>> write.table(ABeset_gcrma at exprs,
>>>>>>>>>>> file="ABeset_gcrma081028orig.txt",uote = FALSE, sep = "\t",
>>>>>>>>>>> col.names = NA)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And I enter
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exprs2excel(ABeset_gcrma, file="ABeset_gcrma081028v2.csv")
>>>>>>>>>>>> And I get
>>>>>>>>>>>> Error: could not find function "exprs2excel"
>>>>>>>>>>> That function has been made defunct.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am I doing something wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>> No, you just can't expect that things won't change.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> best wishes
>>>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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