[R-wiki] R Wiki: What do you want me to do now about tips?

Fri Jun 9 16:15:50 CEST 2006

I find that your tips page is easier to read
than the automatically generated one although
that could likely be solved ultimately be improvements
to the script.

I do find all the various colours somewhat distracting
and hard to read on the generated web page.  (this is
also true of the rest of the wiki too)

I suggest you maintain your page until the script
gets to the point where its comparable in legibility
to your hand done one.

On 6/9/06, Paul Johnson <pauljohn32 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've just run the alltips program and did generate a big html file.
>
> http://pj.freefaculty.org/R/alltips.html
>
> That piece of programming is very amazing to me. How in the heck can a
> stat program on my laptop cobble together a web page?  If R had a
> function to write a file onto a remote site , this could be completely
> automated.
>
> I could post something like that on a regular basis. That certainly
> proves it is possible.
>
> So far, I've noticed some problems.
>
> 1. Links inside alltips.html don't work.  They point internally to
> places in the Wiki, not to anchors in alltips itself.
>
> 2. Is there a way to have numbers generated for these tips?  So that
> we can refer to them by number?
>
> 3.   The tips appear without logical sequencing in alltips.html.  I
> wish there were a way to designate the placement.  I don't expect
> there is a Wiki solution for that, however.
>
>
> In the next week, I will try to learn how to input stuff into the WIki
> and I'll also try to make a list of things in Rtips that I think are
> most valuable.
>
> Honestly, some of the tips I have are pretty old or out of date.
>
>
> PJ
>
> On 6/9/06, Philippe Grosjean <phgrosjean at sciviews.org> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > First, I would like to answer to Paul Johnson. The decision to separate
> > Rtips into sections and have one page per tip is motivated both by
> > technical reasons (already discussed, a wiki is more efficient with
> > separate small pages than a big one), and for practical reasons. When
> > Rtips remains rather small and managed by one people, like your current
> > version of it, it is much easier to handle in one big page. Now, imagine
> > that the R Wiki tips section gains popularity and that (just imagine!)
> > hundreds of authors write thousands of tips. How would you manage a
> > single web page containing these thousands of tips? How do you find tips
> > related to, say, handling of data frames, in this big page? How will
> > someone with a low-speed Internet connexion get the last tip that he is
> > interested in, from this long page (he has to download all the rest first)?
> >
> > I think that both presentations (several little page versus a single
> > large one) have pros and cons. The suggestion to make a digest of the
> > tips in the R Wiki, as an alternate presentation, makes much sense in
> > this context. Romain François proposed a script for that. A good
> > starting basis to automate the creation of that "Rtips digest". Would
> > you be happy with this solution?
> >
> > Regarding the progress made with the R Wiki. This was also a very busy
> > time for me. I did my best to finish the Wiki engine for the UseR!2006
> > workshop. I still have a couple of aspects to finalize (presentation
> > with the sidebar, the Rdconv --wiki is *almost* done, plus a couple of
> > other details).
> >
> > Anyway, whatever where we are now, we should officially launch the R
> > Wiki next week at the UseR!2006 workshop. A presentation is planned on
> > thursday (see
> > http://www.r-project.org/useR-2006/Abstracts/Grosjean.pdf). It would be
> > also an occasion to recruit other volunteers to help in migrating
> > material to the Wiki. I think that the priority is to write some initial
> > material for the empty sections, like "getting-started:what-is-r",
> > "getting-started:faq" (this is rather easy: it is the wiki version of
> > the various official FAQ documents, but with the possibility to append
> > comments for the wiki users), "getting-started:case-studies",
> > "guides:books". Another priority is to migrate material from the first R
> > Wiki by Detlef Steuer.
> >
> > Thank you to all wiki authors or "migrators". The progress is slower
> > than expected, but we have already achieved a pretty good result, I think.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Philippe
> >
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> >
> > Nick Drew wrote:
> > > Like others, I've been busy and not made the kind of progress
> > > of converting Rtips to the R Wiki that I've wanted to. I had hoped to have
> > > section 1 (Data input/output) done by now, but there is still
> > > 1.5 - 1.7 left on that section.
> > >
> > > I'm willing to continue to help with this. I will finish section 1
> > > by  the end of next week. However, I don't see me making
> > > much progress during our warm summer months here in Oregon.
> > >
> > > Perhaps we could generate a list of which sections of
> > > Rtips have been converted. Then others would know where to
> > > continue if they desire.
> > >
> > > ~Nick
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: r-sig-wiki-bounces at r-project.org
> > > [mailto:r-sig-wiki-bounces at r-project.org]On Behalf Of Ben Bolker
> > > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 4:02 AM
> > > To: Paul Johnson
> > > Cc: r-sig-wiki at r-project.org
> > > Subject: Re: [R-wiki] R Wiki: What do you want me to do now about tips?
> > >
> > >
> > >    Having seen no answer thus far:
> > >
> > >     Parts but not all of Rtips have been migrated to the R wiki
> > > (I'd make a wild guess of about 30-50%.)  My personal preference
> > > would be migration.  Apparently DocuWiki doesn't have a "single
> > > page" view, but there was some discussion on the list about how
> > > to run a script etc. to take a snapshot -- see the April archives
> > > and Romain Francois' code at
> > > http://wiki.r-project.org/rwiki/doku.php?id=tips:misc:alltips .
> > > If you were willing (once the migration is complete) to run
> > > this as a script on your server (say daily) and post the results ...
> > >
> > >     Work on the Wiki has slowed down once again (perhaps inevitable
> > > since so many people are busy).  I'd really like to encourage
> > > list-readers to keep at it -- would people be willing to make
> > > some kind of nominal deadline for at least getting the rest
> > > of R-tips moved over/volunteer for sections?
> > >
> > >    cheers
> > >      Ben Bolker
> > >
> > >
> > > Paul Johnson wrote:
> > >
> > >>I have this gmail account but can't manage it very well.  Too many
> > >>messages, too many lists, blah, blah...
> > >>
> > >>Anyway, I just noticed several messages in this list debating the
> > >>question of whether I should maintain Rtips or try to migrate the rest
> > >>of the content into the R Wiki.  What is that status now?
> > >>
> > >>My opinion is that some of the things in Rtips are quite seriously
> > >>useful, especially "how to save graphs" and "use predict with
> > >>regression" but many of the things are tidbits that I accumulated for
> > >>one use and never used again.
> > >>
> > >>I do think it is good if users can just view all the tips on a single
> > >>page, as some readers suggested.  The one who said I should keep
> > >>separate content on Rtips seemed to think the big drawback of the Wiki
> > >>was the sub-compartmentlization of information into little pages, and
> > >>there is some truth in that.  But I've seen other Wiki programs that
> > >>could just display all content in a single www post.
> > >>
> > >>I'm sorry I've not been paying attention, but now it is summer and I
> > >>have some time while preparing to teach stats again in the fall, and
> > >>so if you (all) tell me what needs to be done, I will do it.
> > >>
> > >
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