Bob,

I looked at Minitab a ways back, and it sort of stops dead in terms 
of students developing beyond what I teach when they move into the 
subjects that follow. I was hoping not to have them swapping and 
changing software, but maybe that would be a good thing?

Thanks for the advice,

Arthur

At 07:51 AM 11/08/2007, you wrote:

>It certainly does not look like you would need SAS or R for the topics
>covered, which could easily be done with Minitab, which has a command
>line available -- one far simpler than R's.  And it's a lot cheaper
>than SAS!
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Great to discover this mailing list. I have been running a course in
> > environmental statistics using SAS for some years now, but have
> > recently moved to delivering the material online or in mixed mode
> > delivery. It would not come as a surprise to you as R users that the
> > SAS licencing is getting in the way of this, as the students know no
> > national boundaries, and distributing SAS across the globe is problematic.
> >
> > I am therefore exploring switching to R. I do so with some
> > trepidation, as I chose SAS in part because the code is intelligible
> > to novice programmers (I use the command line approach for
> > pedagogical reasons) whereas R syntax is likely to present a greater
> > obstacle to learning for budding environmental scientists. Can anyone
> > comment on their experiences with this? Are SAS and SPSS more
> > suitable for undergraduate levels, and R better introduced at
> > graduate level? Should I not go there for the undergrads? Any tricks
> > of the trade?
> >
> > My course is on http://ecology.lamsinternational.com/ and you will
> > note that there is an Introductory R module there that I have not yet
> > trialed on a class -- plan to in February. If you want to poke around
> > in there, the enrolment key is Fisher.
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Arthur
> >
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