[RsR] New maintainer? Package 'robust' (original S+ "Library 'robust') orphaned on CRAN

[Emily Klein]

Good morning all,

A quick note just to mention that I am watching this conversation with
interest - in large part because I am in the process of using it for
analysis of ecological data. Previous papers have used lmRob(), but of
course we only have lmrob() currently, so that's what we've applied. If
both are available, I would try both and compare results, and would be very
interested in any thoughts on how they differ. I had not previously found
any documentation comparing the methods or package - could be very useful
to have that written up somewhere, but as others have said, this is a
thankless job, and I am sure you are all very busy.

Happy Friday,

Emily


On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 2:28 PM <matias using stat.ubc.ca> wrote:

> Martin,
>
> First I'd like to thank you again for your work on these "robustnik"
> packages, and also on many other aspects of R. It's a thankless role, but
> not an unnoticed one.
>
> IMHO an under-appreciated feature that is in "robust" and not in
> robustbase is the visual comparison of different fits for the same model
> (typically used to compare robust and non robust fits, but can in principle
> be used to compare other fits).
>
> I believe that, fortunately, this functionality has already been extracted
> to a stand alone package "fit.models". I haven't tried it with robustbase
> yet, but I believe it'd be useful to have them work well with each other,
> if they don't already.
>
> Matias
>
> PS: fit.models, particularly within robust, used lattice plots, which look
> a bit dated now. I don't know how difficult it will be to update them, or
> whether it's worth the effort.
>
>
>
> Sent from a phone
>
> On Mar. 5, 2020 8:20 a.m., Martin Maechler <maechler using stat.math.ethz.ch>
> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Valentin Todorov
> >>>>>     on Fri, 28 Feb 2020 22:31:21 +0100 writes:
>
>     > Dear Martin,
>     > I was thinking of this since Kjell
>     > abandoned the package, but I was not sure to what extent would this
> be
>     > necessary - most of the functionality of 'robust' we already moved
> to
>     > 'robustbase' and/or 'rrcov', therefore it suggests/imports these
> packages.
>     > Let us see in the next days what still remains there and is valuable
> and
>     > decide what to do.
>
>     > Best regards,
>     > Valentin
>
> Thank you, Valentin.
>
> I had similar thoughts a long time ago, I think prompted
> indepedently by  Kjell  and Doug Martin ...
>
> I vaguely remember I found that there have been things in
> 'Robust' which looked valuable and notably good to have for
> comparison reasons,
> *but* that were a lot work to "tear out" of the robust package
> (including the necessary underlying Fortran code, but *not*
> taking all the Fortran code that would *not* be needed ...).
>
> In the mean time the CRAN team has archived the package
> 'robust', and  I must adapt the 'Robustness' CRAN task view
> considerably (and remove the 'Suggests: robust'  from my
> robustbase package.
>
> I'd be grateful for help and suggestions in still trying
> 'salvage' valuable resources out of 'robust'.
>
> BTW:  Why has  rrcovNA  be archived?
>
> Best,
> Martin
>
>
>     > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020, 11:03 am Martin Maechler, <
> maechler using stat.math.ethz.ch>
>     > wrote:
>
>     >> Dear R Robustniks,
>     >>
>     >> as I am the maintainer of package 'robustbase' and am submitting
>     >> a new version of it to CRAN,
>     >> it came to my knowledge that package 'robust' (= the original
>     >> S-plus "Library 'robust', then released to CRAN, maintained by
>     >> Kjell Konis for time) has been orphaned on CRAN relatively
>     >> recently.
>     >> As I have 'robust' among the 'Suggests: ' entries of "my"
>     >> package 'robustbase' I now get a  NOTE   about suggesting an
>     >> orphaned package.
>     >> I've been formally a co-author of that package (togeth
>     >>
>     >> I personally would think it to be a loss for the "robustnik
>     >> community" if this package would not remain easily available
>     >> (notably on Windows, also the Mac where most people cannot
>     >> install package from the source but are used to install the
>     >> binary built package from CRAN).
>     >>
>     >> Are some you willing and capable to become the maintainer of
>     >> 'robust' (with the perspective to do this for a couple of years)?
>     >>
>     >> Best,
>     >> Martin
>
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Boston University
*Co-Chair*, ICES Working Group on the History of Fish & Fisheries (WGHIST)
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