[R-sig-ME] Cannot have zero distances in "corSpatial"

[Thierry Onkelinx]

Dear Maia,

Add a correlation structure with nlme won't solve your problem. Is applies
the correlation structure on the residuals **within** each finest group as
defined by the random effects. The residuals **between** random effects
group are assumed to be independent. The spatial structure is your design
is probably defined by site and plot so this won't work.

Have a look at the INLA or inlabru packages. They can model spatially
correlated random effects. See
https://www.muscardinus.be/2018/07/inlabru-bru/ for some examples.

Best regards,

ir. Thierry Onkelinx
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Op do 6 dec. 2018 om 19:33 schreef Vinicius Maia <
vinicius.a.maia using hotmail.com>:

> Hi folks
>
> data structure: plots nested in sites, and observations nested in plots.
> both site and plots used as random factors
>
> When running a mixed model (lme4) I founded spatial autocorrelation on
> model residuals, thus, I tried nlme mixed models inclunding a spatial
> structure (e.g. corr=corExp(...)), since I have repeated measures at the
> same point (then, with the same coordinates) the package is unable to run,
> giving the error: Cannot have zero distances in "corSpatial" in nlme
>
> It seems to be a common and unsolved problem
>
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=Cannot+have+zero+distances+in+%22corSpatial%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b
>
> It is my first time here, sorry for any mistake in my post.
>
> Thanks
>
> vmaia
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