[R-sig-ME] Is my model correct (1 random effect + spatially structured outcome) ?
thierry@onkelinx @ending from inbo@be
Mon Jul 23 09:02:43 CEST 2018
lmer() from lme4 cannot handle correlation functions. lme() form nlme
can. But there the correlation is only within the most detailed level
of the random effects. Observations from different levels (here
sampling dates) are assumed to be independent. However they will share
the same parameters for the correlation function.
Another option would be to fit the model without spatial correlation
structure and then make a variogram of the residuals. It might be
harder to get a stable variogram with only 60 locations. If the
variogram indicates spatial correlation, then you will have to model
Also provide sensible starting values for the correlation function.
The default value for the range is very small, often resulting in a
very small fitted range.
ir. Thierry Onkelinx
Statisticus / Statistician
Vlaamse Overheid / Government of Flanders
INSTITUUT VOOR NATUUR- EN BOSONDERZOEK / RESEARCH INSTITUTE FOR NATURE
Team Biometrie & Kwaliteitszorg / Team Biometrics & Quality Assurance
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2018-07-22 21:26 GMT+02:00 <trichter using uni-bremen.de>:
> Dear list,
> i have already posted once about this dataset, however now with a different
> My dataset consists of six sampling dates (several months apart) with 60
> sampling stations each (within 100 square meters).
> Initially, i wondered if i can calculate Tukey contrasts by sampling dates
> if they are possibly both fixed and random.
> This time, my approach is fairly basic. I would like to model the influence
> of some environmental predictors (e.g. pH) on my outcome.
> I dont think my stations (specified with x,y coordinates) have random
> intercepts (as they are close to each other), but they likely feature
> spatial autocorrelation.
> This time, i treat time as random, and since the sampling dates are months
> apart, and the sampling grid was always different, i assume there is no
> temporal autocorrelation or effects
> of repeated measures.
> So, i would then fit a model like this:
> model1 <- lmer(Outcome ~ Var1+Var2+...+(1|sampling date),
> correlation=corXXXX(1,form=~x+y), data=data, REML=false)
> (alternatively also as interaction between the fixed effect).
> Assuming that i have normally distributed outcomes (which i dont), is this a
> proper approach?
> Alternatively, i could fit a model for each of the six sampling dates
> independently, and not use random effects at all.
> Thank you!
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