[R-sig-ME] Question concerning the reduction of random effects

Poe, John jdpo223 at g.uky.edu
Sat Feb 4 17:10:17 CET 2017


If I understand you correctly you've included each group as a fixed effect
to get the confidence intervals and done a an enormous number of hypotheses
tests. If that's the case you really can't trust the results.  That many
categorical fixed effects for a nonlinear outcome will produce biased
coefficients and standard errors. Even with as few as ten groups you start
to see bias. So just because something has zero in the CI on a group fixed
effect doesn't mean that the group does not, in reality,  have a
significant mean difference from the population average.

On Feb 4, 2017 10:38 AM, "Tibor Kiss" <tibor at linguistics.rub.de> wrote:

> Hello everybody,
> I have a question that might perhaps sound weird, but I haven't found
> anything on this yet, so maybe someone can enlighten me here.
> I am working with a BGLMM (random intercept) that contains the random
> effect "noun" (basically, a noun occurring in a natural language sentence
> from a sample) with 1.302 levels. The high number of levels is due to the
> fact that the sample contains this many different nouns in the relevant
> position of the clause.
> After determining the variances of the individual 1.302 nouns, there are
> only 54 nouns left which do not contain 0 in the 95 % confidence interval.
> So, these are nouns that are actually interesting. I have a hunch now that
> this reduced number of nouns also influences some of the slopes, but I
> cannot test this. The dataset contains only 2.284 observations. Thus, the
> total number of random effects is larger than the number of observations
> when tested against a binary feature.
> I would like to find a way to reduce the random effects to the ones which
> have shown relevant in the random intercept model, and would like to use
> the reduced set for a random slope model. It strikes me that this is
> tampering with the data, unless there is a principled way of selecting a
> subset from the set of random effects. So, if there is a principled way, I
> would appreciate learning about it.
> With kind regards
> Tibor
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