[R-sig-ME] lmer or glmer?

ONKELINX, Thierry Thierry.ONKELINX at inbo.be
Tue Jan 13 10:32:40 CET 2015

Dear Michael,

Neither of the qq plots look terribly problematic. But don't just look at qq plots! Plot the residuals against the available covariates and see if there is any pattern.

Choose a distribution family based on the properties of the response. Poisson assumes non-negative integer values. So don't use Poisson if the response is continuous. You will need to tell us more about the response if you need help on that.

Best regards,

ir. Thierry Onkelinx
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Van: R-sig-mixed-models [r-sig-mixed-models-bounces op r-project.org] namens Michael Jackson [Michael.Jackson op vuw.ac.nz]
Verzonden: maandag 12 januari 2015 20:41
Aan: r-sig-mixed-models op r-project.org
Onderwerp: Re: [R-sig-ME] lmer or glmer?

Hi Thierry,

Thanks for the input. Ive attached some links to qqnorm(resid(x)) plots run for varying data.

Plot 1 (link below) (based on lmer code) is characteristic of all my plots when using my raw data, i.e., showing positive skew to a greater or lesser extent than this example. I identified the response variable as key to driving this and therefore tried log transforming my response variable.

Plot 2 is the same raw data and lmer coding, but with a log transformed response variable. It now shows slight negative skew and if anything is worse.

Plot 3 is from my glmer coding I proposed in my first message (the two former used the lmer coding) and also my raw untransformed response or predictors. This looks lots better. A SW test is also not significant (p=0.67). This is actually based on using "family=poisson(link=log)" as ive now read that the "family=" aspect only relates to the response, not predictors ...Id be interested in your thoughts.

Plot 1 http://s166.photobucket.com/user/michaeljackson1972/media/Plot1_zps1e8eb440.png.html

Plot 2 http://s166.photobucket.com/user/michaeljackson1972/media/Plot2_zpsa5e555b8.png.html

Plot 3 http://s166.photobucket.com/user/michaeljackson1972/media/Plot3_zpsf4a5b638.png.html

Thanks again,


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