[R-sig-ME] Nested random effect within fixed effect factor?

[David Duffy]

On Wed, 31 Jul 2013, Kristofor Voss wrote:

> Thanks. Yes this partitions the error variance, but not the random effect
> variance. That part is working fine (and in fact matches what I get from
> running both subsets). But still curious about the random effects being
> different.

I'm not sure you're right in characterizing it that way.  My simple-minded 
understanding (I would be grateful for correction) is that you can get 
equivalent models by either modeling the off-diagonal covariances for Z or 
for e, since here you don't have an informative design (some clusters or 
individuals receiving both treatments).


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