[R-sig-ME] overdispersion with binomial data?
David Duffy
davidD at qimr.edu.au
Wed Feb 16 09:58:23 CET 2011
On Sat, 12 Feb 2011, John Maindonald wrote:
> 2) I am of the school that thinks it misguided to use the
> results of a test for overdispersion to decide whether to
> model it. If there is any reason to suspect over-dispersion
> (and in many/most ecological applications there is), this
> is anti-conservative. I judge this a misuse of statistical
> testing. While, some do rely on the result of a test in these
> circumstances, I have never seen a credible defence of
> this practice.
I have sympathy for the position: "my test for overdispersion was not
significant, therefore I don't have to fit one of those bloody GLMMs,
where nobody can agree on how to calculate P-values" ;)
> 5) Your mdf divisor is too small. Your stream, stream:rip and ID
> random terms account for further 'degrees of freedom'. Maybe
> degrees of freedom are not well defined in this context? Anyone
> care to comment?
I was sufficiently intrigued by this question to waste a couple of days
reading about the various score tests for overdispersion, which often are
(equivalent to) testing the variance of a intercept level random effect as
being zero. It seems to me that a score test of "extra" overdispersion in
the presence of multiple random effects can then be formulated as testing
for an additional individual level RE. One way would be as per the PQL
approach in Lin Biometrika 1997 (www.sph.umich.edu/~xlin/vctest.ps).
By analogy, the mdf in the overdispersion test will have to include
something for the random effects, but I don't know how many.
Finally, Norm Breslow and others seemed to champion robustified score and
Wald tests for hypothesis testing in the presence of overdispersion, using
sandwiches or jackknives. I don't know how that stuff has held up.
Cheers, David Duffy,
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