[R-sig-ME] [R] how specify lme() with multiple within-subject factors?

ONKELINX, Thierry Thierry.ONKELINX at inbo.be
Mon Jan 5 00:19:16 CET 2009

Dear Ben,

I'm cc'ing R-sig-mixed-models because that's a more appropriate list for
questions on lme().

Lme() is only able to work with nested random effects, not with crossed
random effects. Therefore you would need lmer() from the lme4 package.
But I don't think you need crossed random effects. Random slopes should
do the trick since wtype and present have only two levels. Try something
like lme(.., .., random = ~wtype * present | subj) 



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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: r-help-bounces at r-project.org [mailto:r-help-bounces at r-project.org]
Namens Ben Meijering
Verzonden: zaterdag 3 januari 2009 19:59
Aan: r-help at r-project.org
Onderwerp: [R] how specify lme() with multiple within-subject factors?

I have some questions about the use of lme().
Below, I constructed a minimal dataset to explain what difficulties I  

# two participants
subj <- factor(c(1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2))
# within-subjects factor Word Type
wtype <- factor(c("nw", "w", "nw", "w", "nw", "w", "nw", "w"))
# within-subjects factor Target Present/Absent
present <- factor(c(0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 1, 1))
# dependend variable Accuracy
acc <- c(.74, .81, .84, .88, .75, .95, .88, .94)

# repeated-measures analysis of variance
acc.aov <- aov(acc ~ wtype * present + Error(subj/wtype*present))

# to use lme
# mixed-effects model
acc.lme <- lme(acc ~ wtype * present, random = ~ 1 | subj)

How do I have to specify the model to have 1 degree of freedom for the  
denominator or error-term, as in aov()?
I know how to do this for the first factor:

lme(.., .., random = ~1 | subj/wtype),


lme(.., .., random = list( ~ 1 | subj, ~1 | wtype))

, but not how to get the same degrees of freedom as in the specified  
aov(), i.e., 1 degree of freedom of the denominator for both factors  
and the interaction term.

How do I specify such a model?

~ Ben

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