[R-meta] Meta-analysis of proportion differences (certain cells frequency)

[Jakub Ruszkowski]

Dear Gerta, 

The question was about combining mean proportions and mean counts (if rarely
available) in one analysis - is it reasonable to analyze them together (using
SMD) or not? 

Best
Jakub 

W dniu 2024-03-16 18:30, Dr. Gerta Rücker napisał(a): 

> Dear Jakub,
> 
> (I only superficiously followed this correspondence.)
> These mean proportions (of compositional data) are all on the same scale (0-1). Then, why not take MD instead of SMD? I do not really see an indication for SMD.
> 
> Best,
> Gerta
> 
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Jakub Ruszkowski via R-sig-meta-analysis <r-sig-meta-analysis using r-project.org> 
> Gesendet: Freitag, 15. März 2024 21:59
> An: R Special Interest Group for Meta-Analysis <r-sig-meta-analysis using r-project.org>
> Cc: Jakub Ruszkowski <jakub.ruszkowski using gumed.edu.pl>
> Betreff: Re: [R-meta] Meta-analysis of proportion differences (certain cells frequency)
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> Dear Wolfgang, 
> 
> I am currently preparing the protocol, so I cannot share real data now. Nearly
> all studies, that I am aware of now, report the mean (+SD) proportions of all
> cell subpopulations, whereas some studies do report also individual
> participant data (proportion of each of the cell populations separately for
> each of the patients). I asked to be prepared for future challenges and to
> better understand whether SMD may be a good choice in this scenario. 
> 
> Best wishes
> Jakub 
> 
> W dniu 2024-03-15 18:56, Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (NP) napisał(a):
> 
>> But what exactly does an author of a study that reports cell counts actually report? Are they are reporting the lymphocyte and total white blood cell count for each participant? Best, Wolfgang -----Original Message----- From: R-sig-meta-analysis <r-sig-meta-analysis-bounces using r-project.org> On Behalf Of Jakub Ruszkowski via R-sig-meta-analysis Sent: Friday, March 15, 2024 18:28 To: R Special Interest Group for Meta-Analysis <r-sig-meta-analysis using r- project.org> Cc: Jakub Ruszkowski <jakub.ruszkowski using gumed.edu.pl> Subject: Re: [R-meta] Meta-analysis of proportion differences (certain cells frequency) Dear Wolfgang, thank you for your answer! Yes, I am aware of the compositional character of the data (I wish all authors of primary studies were also) and the huge limitations of any attempts to meta-analyze them. Unfortunately, I do not know any well-explained method to meta-analyze simultaneously all components of the composition properly, that is why I thought about simplification the
issue to the analysis of differences of main cell types of interest. Yeah, the authors usually report the mean and SD of the proportions. I forgot that sample means even from beta (/Dirichlet)
> 
> distributions follow the normal distribution! Thank you a lot for clarifying that it is ok to use methods for mean differences. In case some studies would report cell counts, would you rather analyze them together with studies reporting only mean+SD [%] (using SMD) or treat them separately? Best wishes Jakub W dniu 2024-03-15 14:44, Viechtbauer, Wolfgang (NP) napisał(a): Dear Jakub, Proportions like you are describing can be thought of as so-called 'compositional data' (i.e., data that describe to what extent some whole is composed of various subcomponents): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositional_data [2] [1] [2]For example, one might know that in a given person, 52% of their white blood cells are eutrophils, 36% are lymphocytes, 7% are monocytes, and the remaining 5% are other types. But without an actual count, these cannot be treated as binomial/multinomial counts and are just percentages (or proportions) of the whole. Compositional data analysis is its own subfield in
> statistics, but whether the methods described there are relevant in the present context is not clear to me. Since you mentioned the beta distribution: Yes, one could assume that a percentage/proportion like in the case above (i.e., a proportion of 0.36 of the white blood cells are lymphocytes) is beta distributed. But note that this is a proportion for a single individual. I would assume that there is such a proportion for multiple individuals within a group (e.g., patients). Then what is it that study authors would report? I would assume that they report the mean proportion (with hopefully also the SD of the individual proportions). If so, then one could basically just use methods for meta-analyzing means and mean differences. Best, Wolfgang
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