[R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma

Simon Urbanek @|mon@urb@nek @end|ng |rom R-project@org
Thu Oct 5 03:20:09 CEST 2023 

Kevin,


> On 4/10/2023, at 5:27 AM, Kevin Thorpe <kevin.thorpe using utoronto.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> I am wondering if this is just an issue on M1/2 chips or does it also affect Intel?
> 

It is an issue with Sonoma macOS new TUI classes and not the architecture so it will affect both.


> I usually hold off upgrading until the first or second patch, but I feel I should warn students in my class.
> 

Definitely - I always tell them not to upgrade right away as major macOS versions are notoriously buggy. Ideally, you shouldn't upgrade until next R patch release since if macOS breaks something we can't fix (officially) it until the next release.

Cheers,
Simon


> 
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2023, at 12:14 PM, William R Revelle <revelle using northwestern.edu> wrote:
>> 
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>> It turns out that is not just the graphics window that the focus problem, it is all windows.  That is, opening the help window takes focus away from the console and help needs to be closed before the console window will be active.  The install package window has the same problem.
>> 
>> For each case, closing the extra window restores console functioning.
>> 
>> I report this just so Simon can see the report.
>> 
>> I remain in awe of the work of Simon in getting the Mac version to work so well.
>> 
>> I am running
>> 
>> R version 4.3.1 Patched (2023-09-30 r85239)
>> Platform: aarch64-apple-darwin20 (64-bit)
>> Running under: macOS Sonoma 14.0
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa using mcw.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hear you!  It is not just R either.  I know you mentioned R-studio.
>>> But there are lots of other things R-related like emacs.  I had the
>>> hardest time with emacs for Catalina and Big sur.  I’m not sure
>>> but I think Monterrey was better.  However, all of those issues
>>> finally went away with Ventura.  This makes me extremely hesitant for Sonoma
>>> since I am finally happy now.  So long story short: Apple gets there,
>>> but it can take years sometimes.  The new hardware like ARM (and
>>> the titanium iPhone!) look so cool it can be very tempting to go
>>> bleeding-edge. I learned my lesson when Ventura first came out.
>>> R was not ready and neither were lots of tools that we use here
>>> at work.  Good luck
>>> --
>>> Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His
>>> Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association
>>> Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics
>>> Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus
>>> From: William Revelle <lists using revelle.net>
>>> Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:01 PM
>>> To: Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa using mcw.edu>, r-sig-mac using r-project.org <r-sig-mac using r-project.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma
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>>> Rodney,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your quick reply.
>>> 
>>> It turns out this is just a problem with the base R  for Mac graphics window (which is to say, the version I like).  I can still use R-studio (which I don’t like as much).
>>> 
>>> I can wait patiently for a patch to the Mac version while using R-Studio.
>>> 
>>> That way I don’t have to go through the hassle of trying to reinstall 13.x and dumping 14.0.
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Sparapani, Rodney <rsparapa using mcw.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Bill:
>>>> Well, I am usually pretty cautious about this.  I don’t move to the
>>>> next release until R is ready.  For Ventura, it took quite awhile
>>>> before that happened.  Sorry
>>>> --
>>>> Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His
>>>> Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association
>>>> Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics
>>>> Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus
>>>> From: R-SIG-Mac <r-sig-mac-bounces using r-project.org> on behalf of William Revelle <lists using revelle.net>
>>>> Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:19 AM
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>>>> Subject: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS 1
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>>>> Dear Mac users of R and developers.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I recently updated to the Sonoma OS for Mac  (14.0)  and it has a serious problem for graphics.
>>>> 
>>>> plot(1:10) creates a graphic window but I can not switch back to the console window using either command-1 or the mouse.
>>>> 
>>>> Anybody else having this problem?  Any suggestions for a patch?
>>>> 
>>>> I am running a MacBook Pro with M1 Max.
>>>> 
>>>> Bill
>>>> 
>>>> 
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