[R-SIG-Mac] Problems with Rcmdr via XQuartz on OSX Mavericks
John Fox
jfox at mcmaster.ca
Thu Dec 5 05:17:20 CET 2013
Hi Rob,
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 20:16:39 -0700
Robert J Goedman <goedman at icloud.com> wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> I had a quick read of the notes and I think they are correct. The only case that is not covered is if someone builds R.app themselves against OS X 10.9 (as I mentioned previously). I don't think right now this is a big deal. Those folks will have to use 'defaults ...' or add/update the NSAppSleepDisabled entry in the plist directly.
>
Thanks for checking out the Rcmdr installation notes. I don't think that many Rcmdr users will build R.app themselves.
> Brian and I had been looking at intercepting the App Nap capability at the point where the R-busy indicator is activated. That also covers some important cases, but unfortunately not tcltk (as far as I can tell).
That makes sense. What about providing an installer option to prevent App Nap?
Best,
John
>
> Regards,
> Rob J. Goedman
> goedman at icloud.com
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2013, at 3:56 PM, John Fox <jfox at mcmaster.ca> wrote:
>
> > Dear Brian and Rob,
> >
> > Pending another solution, I've modified the Rcmdr installation notes at
> > <http://socserv.socsci.mcmaster.ca/jfox/Misc/Rcmdr/installation-notes.html>
> > to suggest that users of the Rcmdr under OS X 10.9 either run R from a
> > terminal window or check the Prevent App Nap box in the R.app Get Info
> > dialog. Please take a look at the notes and see whether they are
> > sufficiently clear and correct.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: r-sig-mac-bounces at r-project.org [mailto:r-sig-mac-bounces at r-
> >> project.org] On Behalf Of Prof Brian Ripley
> >> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 10:51 AM
> >> To: Robert J Goedman
> >> Cc: r-sig-mac at r-project.org
> >> Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems with Rcmdr via XQuartz on OSX
> >> Mavericks
> >>
> >> So for people with a CRAN build of R, the tick box is the way to go
> >> (and/or keep the console visible). I've added that to the R-admin
> >> manual.
> >>
> >> If you do build R.app against 10.9, then you should be using the App
> >> Nap
> >> API. I think that in part is straightforward, as 'busy' gets set when
> >> the R interpreter is evaluating. So Re_RBusy needs to use the
> >>
> >> beginActivityWithOptions:reason:,
> >> endActivity:,
> >>
> >> methods on the NSProcessInfo class. I'll leave that to someone fluent
> >> in ObjC.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 30/11/2013 23:19, Robert J Goedman wrote:
> >>> HI peter,
> >>>
> >>> My understanding is that that box disappears if R.app is build
> >> against OS X 10.9.
> >>>
> >>> I've never seen that box (as I have been building against 10.9 for
> >> quite a while now), but I know folks have.
> >>>
> >>> As long as it is there I fully agree, much easier than defaults ....
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Rob J. Goedman
> >>> goedman at icloud.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 30, 2013, at 11:09 AM, peter dalgaard <pdalgd at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 30 Nov 2013, at 16:58 , Robert J Goedman <goedman at icloud.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Yes, I've seen that as well and it is likely not limited to tcltk.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Question is, for R.app, do we want to ship with NSAppSleepDisabled?
> >> I would be in favor (my $0.02).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If yes I will commit.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> One item: I found that there is a tick box "Prevent App Nap"
> >> available via Get Info for applications (secondary click in the
> >> Applications folder), which is somewhat more intuitive that the
> >> "defaults write ..." route. If we make your change, will the same box
> >> appear, just selected by default?
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Rob J. Goedman
> >>>>> goedman at icloud.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Nov 30, 2013, at 7:00 AM, peter dalgaard <pdalgd at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 30 Nov 2013, at 12:37 , Prof Brian Ripley
> >> <ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This does not happen for me provided R.app is visible. From
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/releasenotes/MacOSX/WhatsNewInO
> >> SX/Articles/MacOSX10_9.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 'An app is considered to be a candidate for sleep if:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It is not visible-if all of an app's windows are either hidden by
> >> other windows or minimized in a hidden dock, and the app is not in the
> >> foreground
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> (other necessary conditions)'.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> which if accurate indicates that keeping the R.app console
> >> unhidden should suffice.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Nov 28, 2013, at 6:35 AM, Robert J Goedman <goedman at icloud.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi, and Happy Thanksgiving for those that celebrate it!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If Peter is right (and I expect he is, but will experiment a bit
> >> more if the setting can be updated while R.app is running and take
> >> effect immediately), I would suggest for now folks just use 'defaults
> >> ...' from a terminal window if they encounter these issues.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Once we understand better what might be affected by allowing the
> >> sleep mode we can possibly refine that approach.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Rob
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>> Peter Dalgaard, Professor,
> >>>> Center for Statistics, Copenhagen Business School
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