[R-SIG-Mac]Re: Apple's X11

[John Maindonald]

Hello Jan -
Probably I should have contacted you earlier. I did however learn
a great deal from my slow bungling exploration.

> On Saturday, Feb 15, 2003, at 17:00 US/Pacific, John Maindonald wrote:
> >
> > (1) Fink users may find that, before installing Apple's X11, it may pay
> > to read an up-to-date version of Section 3.2 of the document at
> >   http://fink.sourceforge.net/doc/x11/inst-xfree86.php
> > Currently, this advises users to delete existing xfree86 packages
> > before proceeding.  I am not sure how necessary this is;  Apple's
> > X11 will work even if this is not done, but some fink-based
> > software may not?
> 
> If you use fink and Apple's X11 together, then fink will get confused,  
> because you
> may have installed something using Apple's version and fink has no way  
> of knowing
> it's library etc has been replaced. So you install fink's  
> system-xfree86 and remove
> fink's xfree86.

I figured that was probably what was happening.  First time round,
I did though install Apple's X11, unthinkingly, without checking 
the fink documentation.

> > (2) There are useful hints in
> >
> >   http://developer.apple.com/qa/qa2001/qa1232.html
> >
> > Anyone who uses a beta version is a developer, right?
> > Well, this was a point that dawned on me only after a fair
> > amount of searching in less appropriate places for help.
> 
> Anyone who compiles anything is a developer, because
> you need the developer tools, and you can only get these
> by becoming a (free) member of the ADC.

So that is what I signed up to!

> > (3) Apple's X11 ignores /etc/csh.login
> > Source /sw/bin/init.sh (not /sw/bin/init.csh, even though you get,
> > finally, a tcsh shell).  I used my .tcshrc for this purpose.
> > (probably .cshrc is also ok)
> 
> On OS X csh is just tcsh (same as sh is just bash)
> 
> > [Under the fink XFree86 implementation of X11, /etc/csh.login
> > was a good place to source /sw/bin/init.sh, and a good place
> > (on a single user machine) in which to set paths.  Setting them
> > in a .cshrc or .tcshrc under  had the slightly disastrous effect of
> > duplicating relevant bits of the path every time that a new xterm
> > window was opened!]
> 
> I don't see that happening. And I do source /sw/bin/init.sh in
> .tchsrc.

At all events, this is not the behaviour under Apple's X11.

> > (4) [Actually, when I sourced /sw/bin/init.sh, I had an error:
> > Bad : modifier in $ (/).
> > I backed up /sw/bin/init.sh and copied /sw/bin/init.csh to
> > /sw/bin/init.csh, and all was well.  It may just have been that my
> > /sw/bin/init.sh was corrupt.]
> 
> Did you source init.sh (a bash shell script) from tcshrc ?

Yes, I did, after earlier trying putting it into .xinitrc.
Sourcing the file as init.csh, whether from .xinitrc or from .tcshrc, 
had no effect on the path.  Is there another, more appropriate, place
for this?  It was a question of where to go to next when I found that
following the Fink document and putting . /sw/bin/init.sh as the 
third line in my .xinitrc did not do the trick.

> > (5) For setting up a .xinitrc file, copy the version that it at
> > /etc/X11R6/xinit/xinitrc to .xinitrc into the home directory and
> > modify that.  At all events, I found that, on my system, this is
> > what I had to do.  Such an .xinitrc can be used to start additional
> > xterms, or to invoke a different window manager.
> > [Document qa1232.html noted above says /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc,
> > but that is surely a mistake.]
> 
> No, that is a link added in 0.2.

I see now that I do have that link in my installation.  Earlier,
I had been unable to find it, perhaps because my .xinitrc was
incomplete?

> > (6) qa1232.html describes how to activate the selection
> > proxying features (copy & paste) of quartz-wm, while using another
> > window manager.  I have yet to experiment with this.  [I rather
> > like icewm, because it is simple, and gives up to 4 desktops.]
> >
> > (7) After attending to these other matters, getting emacs, ess and
> > R set up is a breeze!
> 
> Indeed.
> 
> >
> > John Maindonald             email: john.maindonald@anu.edu.au
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> > Australian National University, Canberra ACT 0200.
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John Maindonald                     email : john.maindonald@anu.edu.au
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