[R-SIG-Mac]R on Darwin/X11
Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:18:59 +0100
the follow-focus can be implemented by some small utilities at system
level. There was something similar even under old MacOS. So I don't
think this is really something you can discouraged about in using and
But be confident, the X11 version will not be abandoned in any case.
On Luned́, marzo 11, 2002, at 05:03 , Don MacQueen wrote:
> At 19:20 -0800 3/9/02, Jan de Leeuw wrote:
>> I will no longer maintain the Darwin/X11 version, since
>> (a) You can get a better version from fink -- in particular
>> if you set up fink properly you will not have the missing dylib
>> (b) I have agreed with Jeff Whitaker (fink R maintainer)
>> that he will put r-base, r-base-atlas, r-base-gnome, and
>> in fink.
>> (c) I have agreed with Stefano that we will get working on
>> an Aqua GUI for R and he will get working on a Quartz device.
>> This will mean Quartz/Aqua wrappers around the
>> Darwin/X11 version of R, best of both worlds.
> This is quite ambitious, and I'm generally supportive. I think there
> are probably a lot of Mac users for whom this would make it more likely
> they would use R.
> I do have one question. Would the ability to work in X11 mode go away?
> Here's why I ask. Standard practice in the Mac windowing environment
> has always been that the window that receives keyboard input MUST be on
> top. When I'm using R, I find this restriction extremely annoying and
> counter-productive. I normally have the graphics window partially
> covering the top right of my command input window. That way I can make
> the graphics window larger. Many, if not most, X11 window managers have
> an option to allow this (it goes by various names; "follow-focus" is
> one, because focus follows the mouse). Please, please, please, if at
> all possible, have the "Quartz/Aqua" wrapper allow follow-focus. In all
> likelihood, "input window on top" is so ingrained in Apple's world-view
> that it won't be possible, in which case my request is to allow
> continued use in X11 mode.
> To put it briefly, given a choice between X11 mode allowing
> follow-focus, and an Aqua mode that doesn't, this is a matter of
> personal preference that I feel strongly about, and I would choose the
> X11 mode.
>> (d) I have agreed with Jeff that we will start putting R packages
>> into the fink system. He has already installed rpy, which
>> went without a glitch, and which now allows one to use
>> all of R from python.
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