[R-sig-Geo] The sf::st_perimeter() function doesn't seem to work properly when trying to determine the perimeter of an sf object on the ellipsoid

Loïc Valéry |v@|ery @end|ng |rom out|ook@|r
Fri May 16 15:41:12 CEST 2025


Dear list members,

I hope this message finds you well.

Here's a possible problem that I won't be able to solve on my own! 
When trying to determine the perimeter of a plot of land based on the ellipsoid, I've just noticed that the sf::st_perimeter() function doesn't seem to return the right value.


Actually, the sf::st_perimeter() function returns a different perimeter value from that obtained using other approaches, such as :
    - with R: using sf::st_boundary() |> sf::st_length()
                  or using sf::st_cast() |> sf::st_length()

    - with POSTGIS: ROUND(ST_Perimeter(ST_Transform(geom,4326)::geography)::numeric,4)
      
    - with QGIS: round($perimeter,4)


In my particular case, sf::st perimeter() returns the value 129.0982 [m], whereas all the other approaches mentioned above return the value 129.2854 [m]. 
Of course the difference is very small, but I guess the sf::st_perimeter() function is supposed to return exactly the same value as that return by the other approaches.

Please find below a small REPREX to quickly test the three approaches in R (i.e. sf::st_perimeter() vs. sf::st_boundary() vs. sf::st_cast()).

Thank you in advance for your help
Cheers,
Loïc

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REPREX

# Generate the land plot as an sf object (french projection: EPSG:2154)
plot <- structure(list(GEOM = structure(list(structure(list(structure(c(320102.67, 
                                                                        320111.85, 320131.82, 320134.33, 320138.5, 320141.93, 320135.33, 
                                                                        320118.58, 320113.45, 320105.18, 320102.67, 6845954.56, 6845962.15, 
                                                                        6845971.55, 6845971.9, 6845953.21, 6845936.12, 6845935.07, 6845931.54, 
                                                                        6845929.91, 6845950.57, 6845954.56), dim = c(11L, 2L))), class = c("XY", 
                                                                                                                                           "POLYGON", "sfg"))), n_empty = 0L, class = c("sfc_POLYGON", "sfc"
                                                                                                                                           ), precision = 0, bbox = structure(c(xmin = 320102.67, ymin = 6845929.91, 
                                                                                                                                                                                xmax = 320141.93, ymax = 6845971.9), class = "bbox"), crs = structure(list(
                                                                                                                                                                                  input = "EPSG:2154", wkt = "PROJCRS[\"RGF93 v1 / Lambert-93\",\n    BASEGEOGCRS[\"RGF93 v1\",\n        DATUM[\"Reseau Geodesique Francais 1993 v1\",\n            ELLIPSOID[\"GRS 1980\",6378137,298.257222101,\n                LENGTHUNIT[\"metre\",1]]],\n        PRIMEM[\"Greenwich\",0,\n            ANGLEUNIT[\"degree\",0.0174532925199433]],\n        ID[\"EPSG\",4171]],\n    CONVERSION[\"Lambert-93\",\n        METHOD[\"Lambert Conic Conformal (2SP)\",\n            ID[\"EPSG\",9802]],\n        PARAMETER[\"Latitude of false origin\",46.5,\n            ANGLEUNIT[\"degree\",0.0174532925199433],\n            ID[\"EPSG\",8821]],\n        PARAMETER[\"Longitude of false origin\",3,\n            ANGLEUNIT[\"degree\",0.0174532925199433],\n            ID[\"EPSG\",8822]],\n        PARAMETER[\"Latitude of 1st standard parallel\",49,\n            ANGLEUNIT[\"degree\",0.0174532925199433],\n            ID[\"EPSG\",8823]],\n        PARAMETER[\"Latitude of 2nd standard parallel\",44,\n            ANGLEUNIT[\"degree\",0.0174532925199433],\n            ID[\"EPSG\",8824]],\n        PARAMETER[\"Easting at false origin\",700000,\n            LENGTHUNIT[\"metre\",1],\n            ID[\"EPSG\",8826]],\n        PARAMETER[\"Northing at false origin\",6600000,\n            LENGTHUNIT[\"metre\",1],\n            ID[\"EPSG\",8827]]],\n    CS[Cartesian,2],\n        AXIS[\"easting (X)\",east,\n            ORDER[1],\n            LENGTHUNIT[\"metre\",1]],\n        AXIS[\"northing (Y)\",north,\n            ORDER[2],\n            LENGTHUNIT[\"metre\",1]],\n    USAGE[\n        SCOPE[\"Engineering survey, topographic mapping.\"],\n        AREA[\"France - onshore and offshore, mainland and Corsica (France métropolitaine including Corsica).\"],\n        BBOX[41.15,-9.86,51.56,10.38]],\n    ID[\"EPSG\",2154]]"), class = "crs"))), row.names = 1L, class = c("sf", 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "data.frame"), sf_column = "GEOM", agr = structure(integer(0), levels = c("constant", 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "aggregate", "identity"), class = "factor", names = character(0)))



# What the plot looks like
plot(plot)


# The geom of the plot seems O.K.:
sf::st_is_valid(plot)


sf::sf_use_s2(FALSE)

# Calculating ellipsoidal perimeter with st_perimeter() --> 129.0982 [m]
plot |>
  sf::st_transform(4326) |>
  sf::st_perimeter()

# Calculating ellipsoidal perimeter with st_boundary()  --> 129.2854 [m]
plot |>
  sf::st_transform(4326) |> 
  sf::st_boundary() |> 
  sf::st_length()

# Calculating ellipsoidal perimeter with st_cast()      --> 129.2854 [m] 
plot |>
  sf::st_transform(4326) |> 
  sf::st_cast("MULTILINESTRING") |> 
  sf::st_length()


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