[R-sig-Geo] testing nlme models for spatial correlation

Javier Moreira javiermoreira at gmail.com
Tue Aug 1 16:36:45 CEST 2017

Thanks Thierry,
I would check that info.
Any ideas why if i choose the finest level of random effects as
/SUBMUESTREO and run model 4 (with correlation) wont let me?
If i undesrtand you wel, you adress more the second question i made, im all

El 1 ago. 2017 8:10 a. m., "Thierry Onkelinx" <thierry.onkelinx at inbo.be>

Dear Javier,

The correlation structure in nlme only works on the residuals within the
finest level of random effect. Observations in different random effect are

Have a look at the INLA package (http://www.r-inla.org). INLA allows for
correlated random effects. So you have spatial correlation among the random
effects (instead of among residuals). INLA has options for correlations
along a 2D regular grid, a neighbourhood graph or a mesh. If you want an
book on this, I recommend Zuur et al (2017) Beginner's Guide to Spatial,
Temporal and Spatial-Temporal Ecological Data Analysis with R-INLA.

Best regards,

ir. Thierry Onkelinx
Instituut voor natuur- en bosonderzoek / Research Institute for Nature and
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2017-08-01 11:31 GMT+02:00 Javier Moreira <javiermoreira at gmail.com>:

> hi,
> im trying to generate different models to account for spatial correlation.
> Im using nlme package, and mixed models, in order to compare two models,
> one that doesnt include the spatial correlation and one that does.
> Its a nested design, one that has 4 leves,
> Its a harvest set data, with multiple point of data/ treatment, so the last
> level account for another term in the error for "sub-muestreo".
> My first problem its, when i try to add de correlation term to the model, i
> cant, when the random effects are taken to the level /SUBMUESTREO, and i
> have to leave it to the level of TRATAMIENTO.
> When i do that, i have 2 differences between models, the term accounting
> for sub-muestreo, and the spatial correlation.
> #MODELO 2##
> attach(base_modelo3)
> str(base_modelo3)
> data1=base_modelo3
> str(data1)
> data=data1, units=list(y="(ton/ha)"))
> data1$TRATAMIENTO =factor(data1$TRATAMIENTO)
> data1$BLOQUE =factor(data1$BLOQUE)
> data1$AMBIENTE =factor(data1$AMBIENTE)
>                 weights=varComb(varIdent(form=~1|TRATAMIENTO)),
>                 data=data1,
>                 control=lmeControl(niterEM=150,msMaxIter=200))
> summary(modelo2_MM)
> anova(modelo2_MM)
> ##MODELO 4##
>                 random=~1|BLOQUE/AMBIENTE/TRATAMIENTO,
>                 weights=varComb(varIdent(form=~1|TRATAMIENTO)),
>                 correlation=corExp(form=~X+Y,nugget=T),
>                 data=data1,
>                 control=lmeControl(niterEM=150,msMaxIter=200))
> summary(modelo4_MM)
> anova(modelo4_MM)
> My second problem is, that i need to get the specific parameter for the
> error term that belongs to the spatial correlation, in order to map it. For
> what i watch, what lme does is send it to the general error, and so, what i
> could do is make the differences between the residuals of these two models.
> so, its essetial to get the exact same model, except for the correlation
> structure.
> If anybody knows how to get the specific term of error accounting for the
> correlation, it would be wonderful.
> E24=residuals(modelo24_3,type = "response")
> E40=residuals(modelo4_MM,type = "response")
> EE=E24-E40
> post=data.frame(E24,E40,EE,data1$X,data1$Y)
> coordinates(post)<-c("data1.X","data1.Y")
> coor_post<-coordinates(post)
> bubble(post,"E24",main="residuos modelo 2")
> bubble(post,"E40",main="residuos modelo 4")
> bubble(post,"EE",main="Est.espacial removida por Modelo 4")
> thanks!
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