[R-sig-Geo] ArcGIS Geostatistical Analyst -- how does it display /fit variograms?
ONKELINX, Thierry
Thierry.ONKELINX at inbo.be
Sat Sep 6 17:29:07 CEST 2008
Hi,
A lot of people in our institute use ArcGIS. But I always advise them
not to use ArcGIS for kriging etc. Mainly because kriging in ArcGIS is a
black box tool. You only know the input and the output, but not how
things are calculated. More over people tend to try the different
options without really knowing what (and why) they are doing. The just
stick with the interpolated map that "looks" the best.
For kriging I promote R and gstat.
HTH,
Thierry
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Van: r-sig-geo-bounces at stat.math.ethz.ch
[mailto:r-sig-geo-bounces at stat.math.ethz.ch] Namens D G Rossiter
Verzonden: zaterdag 6 september 2008 16:07
Aan: r-sig-geo at stat.math.ethz.ch
Onderwerp: [R-sig-Geo] ArcGIS Geostatistical Analyst -- how does it
display /fit variograms?
Hi, I know this is mostly an R-spatial list but this is where the most
computational geostats experts hang out, so please forgive me for
asking an ArcGIS question.
I use R almost exclusively for my own work, but have been asked to
supervise the development of an introductory geostats course for our
partner at the University of Rwanda. They have standardized on ArcGIS
for all of their GIS work (and SPSS for non-spatial stats), and the
prospective students (mostly centre workers and collaborating
researchers) are familiar with it. The decision was taken by their
administration not to use my R/gstat material from the ITC distance
education course, rather to develop the course with ArcGIS.
My counterpart is now with me developing the course. The deficiencies
of ESRI documentation are well-known. I have dug around quite a bit
both within the ESRI docs (on-line and with the program) and through
various mailing lists and the web and can not find out some basic
information. I hope you can shed some light,
1. What exactly is the display of the empirical variogram? The doc.
implies there is one average semivariance per bin (as is usual) but
the display often has several at the same bin. The variogram can be
exported as a table, where it shows multiple (2 - 6 or so)
semivariances for each bin; the table also shows a "weight" for each
of these, but they do not add to 1 or 100 or anything I can
recognize! The close-range bins usually have one, then the number
increases. So I guess each dot represents some number of point-pairs.
2. How is the variogram being fit? What weighting, what solver? If
the user changes the cutoff/bin width, the solution changes (as it
should); but I can't see how it's solving, and I can't find any option
to change the weighting (as in e.g. gstat).
3. When fitting direct and cross-variograms for co-kriging, it seems
that a linear model of co-regionalization is being enforced (i.e. same
range). Again, how is the fit being done? Like fit.lmc in gstat?
Naturally we want the students to understand what the program is doing
for them! Although ESRI promotes "press the button and look at the
cross-validation". I do like their disclaimer in the ArcGIS Desktop
9.3 help: "Kriging is a complex procedure that requires greater
knowledge about spatial statistics than can be conveyed in this
command reference". They then ref. Burrough (1986! not even the
revised book), Heine (1986), McBratney & Webster Journal of Soil Sci.
37:317 (1986), Oliver IJGIS 4 (1990), Press etc. Numerical Recipes,
and Royle et al. Geoprocessing 1 (1981). Not exactly the most up to
date or accessible reference list (no offrence to the fine authors
mentioned).
Thanks for your help.
D. G. Rossiter
Senior University Lecturer
Department of Earth Systems Analysis
International Institute for Geo-Information Science and Earth
Observation (ITC)
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