[R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis

[Charles Geyer]

As I said in my original post, I have asked Alan Agresti and he agreed.
There is no problem about authorship.

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:12 PM Hugh Parsonage <hugh.parsonage using gmail.com>
wrote:

> If you’re not the author of the data, you can’t submit it as such. The
> website has a copyright message on it which, while not definitive, doesn’t
> suggest the use you’re proposing would be allowed.
>
> Bear in mind that you may expose CRAN not just yourself to liability if
> you try to conceal true authorship.
>
> I’d recommend asking the author of that website for permission. Either he
> says that’s fine in which case you have permission, or he doesn’t and you
> dodge a bullet.
>
>
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 2:45 am, Charles Geyer <charlie using stat.umn.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Actually the wooldridge package does not seem to satisfy any of the
>> specific requests CRAN asked me for.  I have checked several other CRAN
>> packages for textbooks and they don't seem to satisfy those requirements
>> either.  So this seems to be a new idea from CRAN.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Neal Fultz <nfultz using gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm not sure exactly what cran is asking for, but the wooldridge
>> > package is a good example of a text book data set package, so maybe
>> > you can use the same format they did.
>> >
>> > https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/wooldridge/index.html
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Neal
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 9:08 AM Charles Geyer <charlie using stat.umn.edu>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I have a package that has the datasets for Categorical Data Analysis
>> by
>> > > Agresti that do not appear in the book.  The whole package is a github
>> > repo
>> > > https://github.com/cjgeyer/CatDataAnalysis.  All of the data were
>> > > translated mechanically using the R script foo.R included in the repo
>> > (but
>> > > not in the package) from Agresti's web site
>> > > http://www.stat.ufl.edu/~aa/cda/data.html.
>> > >
>> > > This package seems to be a useful service to students and teachers.
>> The
>> > > data
>> > > are much simpler to use with this package than trying to get the data
>> > from
>> > > Agresti's web page (foo.R has 277 lines of code).
>> > >
>> > > When I submitted the package to CRAN, I got the following response.
>> > >
>> > > > The Description field of the DESCRIPTION file is intended to be a
>> (one
>> > > > paragraph) description of what the package does and why it may be
>> > > > useful. Please elaborate. Tell the users what the datasets are about
>> > and
>> > > > what they contain so they can use them even when they haven't read
>> your
>> > > > book.
>> > >
>> > > > Please fix and resubmit, and document what was changed in the
>> > submission
>> > > > comments.
>> > >
>> > > In an alternate universe without copyright law this seems a reasonable
>> > > request.  In this universe it seems to be asking for trouble.  I know
>> > about
>> > > fair use, but I am not a lawyer and do not want to walk the borderline
>> > > between fair use and copyright violation.
>> > >
>> > > The package as it is seems OK because it comes from the author's
>> public
>> > web
>> > > site and these data were never in the book.
>> > >
>> > > Please note that I made Alan Agresti (with his acquiescence) the
>> author
>> > of
>> > > the package because it is his book and his data, but I (or rather
>> foo.R)
>> > > did all the work.
>> > >
>> > > I replied to cran.r-project.org, but that was apparently sent to
>> > /dev/null.
>> > >
>> > > This book is IMHO the authoritative textbook on the subject.  Amazon
>> > sales
>> > > rank agrees.  The book is used for many courses.  So this package
>> would
>> > be
>> > > very helpful as is to many students and teachers.
>> > >
>> > > So what to do?  Is there any way to get this package on CRAN?
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Charles Geyer
>> > > Professor, School of Statistics
>> > > Resident Fellow, Minnesota Center for Philosophy of Science
>> > > University of Minnesota
>> > > charlie using stat.umn.edu
>> > >
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>>
>> --
>> Charles Geyer
>> Professor, School of Statistics
>> Resident Fellow, Minnesota Center for Philosophy of Science
>> University of Minnesota
>> charlie using stat.umn.edu
>>
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Charles Geyer
Professor, School of Statistics
Resident Fellow, Minnesota Center for Philosophy of Science
University of Minnesota
charlie using stat.umn.edu

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