[R-pkg-devel] tibbles are not data frames

[Jens Oehlschlägel]

On 27.09.2017 01:00, Duncan Murdoch wrote:
> I think R Core would not be interested in a vote, because you'd be 
> voting to give them work to do, and that's really rude.

Voting about other people's work is indeed a problem. This is were I 
hope money from the R Consortium could help, assuming they are serious 
about contributing to the community (and serious about protecting their 
investments into interfacing R).

> What would have a better chance of success would be for someone to 
> write a short article describing the proposal in detail, and listing 
> all changes to CRAN and Bioconductor packages that would be necessary 
> to implement it.  That's a lot of work!  Do you have time to do it?

Specifying all the consequences of such a change in detail is a similar 
amount of work than actually doing it. Are you suggesting that I do the 
work alone? And predicting from past experience the chances that R-core 
would accept my suggestion: guess what I would do?

Such improvements of the language should be suggested by everyone who 
sees need, filtered through a voting process open to every user (flagged 
for package authors to get an early picture of their votes), the 
promising changes planned in detail by R Core (given a budget for 
implementation from the R-consortium), confirmed by a voting process of 
all package authors and then put on a sufficient long-term roadmap. So 
if R Consortium and R Core commit to such a process and you ask me if I 
am willing to compile a first list of suggestions for change: I don't 
have time but I would collect and consolidate input from this list. Any 
volunteers for organizing a voting system assuming the above commitments?

Best


Jens