After one month of struggle, I lost confidence on Spotfire, it's totally
not user-friendly. Yes it is very good for certain data presentation, but
you still need do heavy lifting on data processing by other software. For
me, R is the perfect tool and has best user supporting group. I send this
email just for the statisticians like me, I don't think Spotfire can
improve your efficiency.



On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Frank Harrell <f.harrell@vanderbilt.edu>wrote:

> Thanks for your note Uwe.  Yes I think a lot of the needed work was related
> to implementing R functions that many of us use that are not available in
> S-Plus, plus what to do about plotmath.  It wasn't enough to just be able
> to
> load the R package.  I don't think implementation of the needed R functions
> in S-Plus ever happened.
>
> Frank
>
>
> Uwe Ligges-3 wrote
> >
> > On 12.01.2012 17:38, Frank Harrell wrote:
> >> As a slight aside, Tibco/Spotfire originally planned to provide a
> >> capability
> >> to load R packages into S-Plus.  This always seemed to me to be a hard
> >> thing
> >> to do, and if my understanding is correct, this proved to be too
> >> difficult
> >> to do in S-Plus, at  least for large packages such as mine.
> >
> > Frank,
> >
> > this dates back to the times of Insightful. They already did that and
> > had a module that allowed to load R packages. Of course, they had to be
> > S-PLUS compatible (which is not really easy any more if package authors
> > made use of R functionality that exceed the features of S-PLUS). They
> > even had hired people to make some R packages S-PLUS compatible,
> > R2WinBUGS was just one example that was available from their "CSAN"
> > repositories. (Nowadays R2WInBUGS is no longer S-PLUS compatible, since
> > the authors do not care too much and do not have S-PLUS licenses to
> > check it.)
> >
> > Best,
> > Uwe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Frank
> >>
> >> Terry Therneau-2 wrote
> >>>
> >>> John,
> >>>    Spotfire is a menu driven data exploration tool, very popular here
> >>> with biologists who found that their previous Excel based approach
> >>> doesn't cut it for large data sets.  When TIBCO wanted to expand the
> >>> tool with further quantitative features they made (I think) a bright
> >>> decision to purchase S-plus and integrate it as a back end, rather than
> >>> try to write dozens of new modules in house.  The "Splus vs R" aspect
> of
> >>> the list responses misses the main point, however.
> >>>
> >>> Spotfire is designed to let you nose around in a data set, quickly
> >>> plotting various aspects, zoom in on subsets (imagine a mouse based
> >>> version of the "pinch" metafor used on the iphone), etc.  It is a
> useful
> >>> and very well designed tool; one demo was enough to make the sale and
> >>> early growth here was explosive.  But if you already know R you can do
> >>> those graphs already, albeit quite a bit slower.  I decided not to
> >>> persue proficiency in Spotfire, but that was partly because it's
> Windows
> >>> based and I prefer Unix.  Also most of my work is at the
> >>> post-exploration phase, and I would have flipped back to straight R for
> >>> that anyway.
> >>>
> >>> Terry Therneau
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----
> >> Frank Harrell
> >> Department of Biostatistics, Vanderbilt University
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