I didn't mean the speed of saving the file is slow... I meant the manual
procedures of exporting and then opening Excel, etc. is slow and
inconvenient and unproductive...

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:38 PM, R. Michael Weylandt <
michael.weylandt@gmail.com> <michael.weylandt@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think what most everyone is getting at is that the visual identification
> of numeric outliers is an exceedingly difficult task and one we humans are
> not well evolved for. Rather they are all suggesting you use visual
> techniques to spot and fix outliers individually. This practice has a long
> and reputable history in statistics and has been shown to be far more
> efficient than simply scanning pages of numbers for a single misplaced
> decimal. In conjunction, I'd also recommend use of the identify() function,
> which serves just this purpose.
>
> If you have so much data that the csv export is unbearably slow it seems
> unlikely you can check it all by hand.
>
> Another, more general, methodology if you are worried about data
> corruption is to use robust statistics when applicable.
>
> Michael
>
> On Dec 5, 2011, at 10:27 PM, Michael <comtech.usa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In R-Studio, "edit" gives non-grid based format which is similar to
> "fix"...
> >
> > But exporting to Excel is time-consuming...
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:17 PM, jim holtman <jholtman@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> 'edit' does allow you to change it.  If all else fails, export to
> >> Excel, split the screen and then synchronize the two displays.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Michael <comtech.usa@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> View doesn't allow editing? And not multi-window so I cannot put
> >> variables
> >>> side-by-side for comparsion? Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:37 PM, jim holtman <jholtman@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Have you tried
> >>>>
> >>>> ?View
> >>>> ?edit
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Bert Gunter <gunter.berton@gene.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> ... and do you really think perusing thousands of numbers by eye is
> >>>>> any way to edit/check data?!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Personal viewpoint: I would say that this is a large area of
> >>>>> statistics and data analysis that the discipline fails to address in
> >>>>> any systematic way ... perhaps because there is no way to address it
> >>>>> systematically? Contrary views and corrections -- especially
> >>>>> references! -- would be very welcome.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My advice would be: graphics! -- but I can't provide anything more
> >>>>> useful without the specifics of the problem.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Some packages may provide the interactivity you seek -- check the
> CRAN
> >>>>> GUI task view, R Commander, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -- Bert
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Michael <comtech.usa@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>> head, tail and fix commands don't really work well if I have large
> >>>>>> matrix/array for which I would like to be able to scroll up and dow,
> >>>>>> left
> >>>>>> and right ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Could anybody please help me?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bert Gunter
> >>>>> Genentech Nonclinical Biostatistics
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Internal Contact Info:
> >>>>> Phone: 467-7374
> >>>>> Website:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> http://pharmadevelopment.roche.com/index/pdb/pdb-functional-groups/pdb-biostatistics/pdb-ncb-home.htm
> >>>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Jim Holtman
> >>>> Data Munger Guru
> >>>>
> >>>> What is the problem that you are trying to solve?
> >>>> Tell me what you want to do, not how you want to do it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jim Holtman
> >> Data Munger Guru
> >>
> >> What is the problem that you are trying to solve?
> >> Tell me what you want to do, not how you want to do it.
> >>
> >
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