  Thomas,

 How popular is R inside of NOAA?




On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Thomas Adams <Thomas.Adams@noaa.gov> wrote:

> OK…
>
> My Grandfather, who was a farmer, was outstanding in his field…
>
> Cheers…
>
>
> Murray M Cooper, PhD wrote:
>
>> For what its worth!
>>
>> A good friend who also happens to be an ecologist
>> told me "An ecologist is a statistician who likes to be
>> outside".
>>
>> Murray M Cooper, Phd
>> Richland Statistics
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Simpson" <
>> gavin.simpson@ucl.ac.uk>
>> To: "Bert Gunter" <gunter.berton@gene.com>
>> Cc: <r-help@r-project.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [R] Why software fails in scientific research
>>
>>
>>  On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 11:17 -0700, Bert Gunter wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just one small additional note below ...
>>>>
>>>> Bert Gunter
>>>> Genentech Nonclinical Biostatistics
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "But a lot of academics are not going to "waste" their time documenting
>>>> code
>>>>
>>>> properly, so others can reap the benefits of it. They would rather get
>>>> on
>>>> with
>>>> the next project, to get the next paper. "
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Indeed. My personal experience over 3 decades in industrial (private)
>>>> research is that data analysis is viewed as relatively
>>>> unimportant/straightforward/pedestrian and is left to technicians (or
>>>> postdocs) -- often with what is done being largely dictated by the
>>>> conventions of a particular journal or discipline. The lab heads and
>>>> research directors are responsible for the grand research strategies,
>>>> managing resources, etc. and don't want to waste much time on something
>>>> that
>>>> routine. So worrying about reproducibility of data analysis "code" (if
>>>> there
>>>> is any, given the use of GUI software like Excel) falls beneath their
>>>> radar.
>>>>
>>>> Clearly there are disciplines (e.g. ecology?) where this may NOT be the
>>>> case.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If ecology is anything to go by (and I am an ecologist, sort of, just
>>> about), there is a large body of the community doing things because i)
>>> that is how they've always been done, or ii) because that's what
>>> reviewers/editors expect etc. with a much smaller group of researchers
>>> pushing at the boundaries (of their field) to use techniques
>>> statisticians and the like have been using for a very long time.
>>>
>>> Reproducible research is still very much in the (very, very) small
>>> minority of the work I come across reviewing papers etc. But I am
>>> encouraged by the number of people I know who are starting to use tools
>>> like R to conduct their research.
>>>
>>>  -- Bert
>>>>
>>>
>>> G
>>>
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