Thanks all of you.  the main problem I had then was it was not recognizing
one of my variables as a grouping variable, it was treating its numerical
values as data, not group designations.  Thanks for the help in clarifying.
I may be a regualr in calling for help on these R sited until I can get the
hand of this program

~John Protzko

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Peter Ehlers <ehlers@ucalgary.ca> wrote:

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> Greg Snow wrote:
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>> A couple of possibilities:
>>
>> The data is not the same, e.g. something in the file was interpreted
>>
> differently by the 2 programs, one of the programs may have stopped
> reading at an unrecognized value, while the other skipped it and went
> on. Or it used to be common to encode missing values as -999, if one
> program recognizes that as missing, but you did not tell the other one
> too, then it could treat that as a legitimate value.
>
>>
>> The model is not the same, e.g. one program may be interpreting your
>>
> grouping variable as a continuous variable and the other as categorical,
> which would result in 2 very different models and outcomes.
>
> My money is on this one. I'm guessing that there is a grouping
> variable coded with levels 1,2,3,etc, and that R is not being
> told that this is a grouping variable.
>
>  -Peter
>
>
>
>> If you show us your data/code/output as has been requested, then we
>>
> may be able to tell which it is. Without that information you are
> expecting either R or the members of the list to read your mind. I keep
> making notes to my future self to use the timetravel package (not
> written yet, that's why I need my future self to use it) to send a copy
> of the esp package (also not written yet) back in time to me so I can
> use it for situations like this. But so far that has not worked (maybe
> my future self is even more lazy than my present self, or my near future
> self does something to offend my far future self enough that he is
> unwilling to do this small favor for my current past self, darn, either
> way means I should probably do better on the diet/exercise).
>
>>
>> The short version of the above rambling is that we want to help, but
>>
> cannot help you until you help us to help you. Show us your
> data/code/output (or data/code/output for simulated/example data if you
> can't show your real data).
>
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>
>>
> --
> Peter Ehlers
> University of Calgary
>

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