By the way, maybe the number of groups can be determined endogenously. It
will be better if I do not have to set the total number of groups
exogenously.

Thanks
Garry

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Hongwei Dong <pdxdong@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the confusion.
>
> Let me put it in this way. Here we have 2000 people and we want to put them
> into 150 groups. The distribution of the group size follows the Gamma
> distribution with shape parameter 0.067 and scale parameter 0.008. At the
> same time, the minimum group size is 1, and the largest one should not be
> bigger than 85.
>
> My questions:  Can I generate a set of groups that follow the above rules
> by generating random draws?
>
> By the way, I also confused by the rate and scale parameters in R. I did
> the distribution test in SPSS and got those shape and scale parameters. In
> SPSS Q-Q plot, the scale parameter is 0.008. I noticed that someone
> mentioned that this is actually the rate. I'm confused.
>
>
> Thanks a lot.
> Garry
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Ravi Varadhan <RVaradhan@jhmi.edu>wrote:
>
>> I think he means "rate = 0.008", so he is looking for:
>>
>>  rgamma(n, shape=0.067, rate=0.008)
>>
>> Even then his problem is not well-posed.  You cannot have both
>> "independent"
>> gamma rv's and have them sum to 2000.
>>
>> Ravi.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: r-help-bounces@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-bounces@r-project.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of David Winsemius
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:47 PM
>> To: Hongwei Dong
>> Cc: R-help Forum; Duncan Murdoch
>> Subject: Re: [R] Generate Random Draw from Gamma Distribution Re: Monte
>> Carlo Simulation in R...
>>
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Hongwei Dong wrote:
>>
>> > Exactly! Thanks, Duncan.
>> >
>> > Let me re-phrase me question like this:
>> >
>> > 1) X_i values are independent Gammas, with the shape 0.067 and scale
>> > 0.008
>> > 2) Min(X)=1 and Max(X)=85
>>
>> You might want to check that your parameterization in in agreement
>> with that used by the rgamma function. Simply using those numbers
>> yields a distribution that does not look as though it would get many
>> qualifying samples. Here are 20 draws without any exclusions outside a
>> range:
>>
>>  >  rgamma(20, shape=0.067,  scale = 0.008)
>>  [1] 2.213459e-03 2.815705e-05 2.381306e-04 2.264602e-07 1.293713e-07
>> 7.680773e-38 6.441082e-15 6.168961e-13
>>  [9] 5.089033e-06 1.571858e-16 9.869878e-12 1.813121e-13 1.253287e-11
>> 1.852885e-04 4.212802e-07 1.774495e-25
>> [17] 1.892984e-07 5.927422e-17 1.322638e-12 4.327472e-05
>>
>> http://finzi.psych.upenn.edu/R/Rhelp02/archive/31459.html
>>
>>
>> > 3) SUM(X)=2000
>> > 4) Do I also have to define the number of draws? if yes, it could be
>> > 250.
>> >
>> > Based on these restrictions, I want to generate random draw. I'm
>> > wondering
>> > how I can do this in R. Thanks.
>> >
>> > Garry
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Duncan Murdoch
>> > <murdoch@stats.uwo.ca>wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 11/10/2009 1:25 PM, Hongwei Dong wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi, Dear R users,
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm wondering if I can do Monte Carlo Simulation in R. My problem
>> >>> is like
>> >>> this: I know variable X follows Gamma distribution with shape
>> >>> parameter
>> >>> 0.067 and scale parameter 0.008. The sum of the X is 2000. I need
>> >>> R help
>> >>> me
>> >>> to simulate a vector of X that satisfies both the probability
>> >>> distribution
>> >>> and the sum. Anyone has a clue to this? Much appreciated.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Your requirements are slightly contradictory or incomplete.  Here's
>> >> one way
>> >> to fully specify the problem:
>> >>
>> >> The X_i values are independent Gammas, with the given shape and
>> >> scale. You
>> >> want to simulate from the joint distribution conditional on the
>> >> event sum(X)
>> >> == 2000.
>> >>
>> >> Is that your problem?  I don't know how to do the simulation, but
>> >> maybe
>> >> someone else does.
>> >>
>> >> Duncan Murdoch
>> >>
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