Hi Bert and Jonathan,

When I want a quality report - I write it with pdfLaTeX ( TexShop or  
TeXnicCenter)  with postscript generated diagrams and R plots as pdf's   
- ( so I can use PC / UNIX / OS X inter-changeably with no problems )

The quality and readability of the pdf document is liked but, and it's  
a big but is .....

When someone else in the team needs to extract quality vector graphics  
from the report, I have to give it to them in powerpoint or word  
document , which means running R again on a PC  to get WMF's.  Not  
impossible just extra work. ( Is there a universal vector format I  
could use ? )

However, and this is probably off topic-R, when I use drawings /   
schematics  in native postscript  from  a Unix box, using them is fine  
in LaTeX, but they can't be pasted into MS applications without first  
rasterizing.  The other option I tried  - Ghostview  seems to mess up  
line angles and fonts in attempting  conversion into WMF.  ( If anyone  
knows a way to avoid this, I will be forever grateful )

My problems - are not R but with general UNIX - PC interoperability

Thanks for the nsf links - it's good to see Latex accepted, I also  
think the IEEE takes LaTeX, but for the business world it's Word only.

Donald


On 7 Apr 2005, at 22:56, Jonathan Baron wrote:

> On 04/07/05 22:46, Donald Ingram wrote:
>  However LaTeX generated  pdfs sent out as reports are much disliked.
>
> Really?  I don't have this problem.  It may have something to do
> with how you make them.  With TeTeX, I use either pdflatex or
> dvips followed by dvipdfm.  The latter is required when I have
> figures in eps.  (ps2pdf is BAD.)
>
> I believe that these meet the standards of NSF
> (http://www.fastlane.nsf.gov).  Unfortunately,
> https://www.fastlane.nsf.gov/servlet/faq.Faq; 
> jsessionid=a8301381731112910739147?areaIndex=3&faqIndex=12
> now recommends that you just send the dvi file.  They have given
> up on the possibility of users getting it right, but I think this
> is what they do.
>
> But all my papers on http://papers.ssrn.com are done this way.
>
> Jon
> -- 
> Jonathan Baron, Professor of Psychology, University of Pennsylvania
> Home page: http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~baron

On 7 Apr 2005, at 22:56, Berton Gunter wrote:

> ??
> R and MS coexist quite nicely. I frequently import R graphics as  
> .wmf's into
> e.g. Word and Powerpoint. So I don't understand your remarks.
>
> Of course, there's no question about R's superiority for data analysis,
> graphs, etc. from any MS product. Incidentally, it is possible to use  
> R via
> DCOM to generate data analyses and plots within Excel -- I don't know  
> enough
> to be able to do this myself, but I know it can be done.
>
> -- Bert Gunter
> Genentech Non-Clinical Statistics
> South San Francisco, CA
>
> "The business of the statistician is to catalyze the scientific  
> learning
> process."  - George E. P. Box
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: r-help-bounces@stat.math.ethz.ch
>> [mailto:r-help-bounces@stat.math.ethz.ch] On Behalf Of Donald Ingram
>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 2:46 PM
>> To: r-help@stat.math.ethz.ch
>> Subject: Re: [R] off-topic question: Latex and R in industries
>>
>> Wensui,
>>
>> I work for 'A' electronics test equipment corporation.
>> I have been using R ( since 1.6 ) instead of MATLAB etc. as a general
>> language for data analysis and graph generation.
>> On they way to R I tried  Python/Scipy, Scilab and others -
>> but R wins
>> in quality and ease of use (it just needs  DSP and GPIB/HPIB
>> libraries
>> to be perfect ).
>>
>> LaTeX is also my document  tool of choice ..
>>
>> However LaTeX generated  pdfs sent out as reports are much disliked.
>>
>> MS Word, PowerPoint and Excel are the standards, and very importantly
>> they offer cut and paste ability across the larger team.
>> MS's offerings comes no where near to the quality of LaTex /
>> R, but in
>> world of shared authorship - it's a one sided battle.
>>
>> My other PC universe vs Unix/OS X problem is vector / Meta-file
>> graphics - essential for quality reports.
>> Postscript, PDF and MS products just don't play. The newest
>> Office and
>> Visio  versions seem  to be  dropping even more of the postscript
>> import and export filters ( which never work very well anyway ).
>>
>> I have never met any other colleagues who use LaTeX or R.
>>
>> Any one else sharing the same  experiences ?
>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>> Message: 37
>> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 11:38:55 -0400
>> From: Wensui Liu <liuwensui@gmail.com>
>> Subject: [R] off-topic question: Latex and R in industries
>> To: r-help@stat.math.ethz.ch
>> Message-ID: <1115a2b00504060838506d00dc@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Latex and R are really cool stuff. I am just wondering how they are
>> used in industry. But based on my own experience, very rare. Why?
>>
>> How about the opinion of other listers? Thanks.
>>
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