[R] Random Seed Location

[Gary Black]

Thank you, everybody, who replied!  I appreciate your valuable advise!  I will move the location of the set.seed() command to after all packages have been installed and loaded.

Best regards,
Gary

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> On Mar 4, 2018, at 12:18 PM, Paul Gilbert <pgilbert902 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Gary Black <gwblack001 at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> 
> (Sorry to be a bit slow responding.)
> 
> You have not supplied a complete example, which would be good in this case because what you are suggesting could be a serious bug in R or a package. Serious journals require reproducibility these days. For example, JSS is very clear on this point.
> 
> To your question
> > My question simply is:  should the location of the set.seed command matter,
> > provided that it is applied before any commands which involve randomness
> > (such as partitioning)?
> 
> the answer is no, it should not matter. But the proviso is important.
> 
> You can determine where things are messing up using something like
> 
> set.seed(654321)
> zk <- RNGkind()        # [1] "Mersenne-Twister" "Inversion"
> zk
> z <- runif(2)
> z
> set.seed(654321)
> 
> #  install.packages(c('caret', 'ggplot2', 'e1071'))
> library(caret)
> all(runif(2)  == z)   # should be true but it is not always
> 
> set.seed(654321)
> library(ggplot2)
> all(runif(2)  == z)   # should be true
> 
> set.seed(654321)
> library(e1071)
> all(runif(2)  == z)   # should be true
> 
> all(RNGkind() == zk)  # should be true
> 
> On my computer package caret seems to sometimes, but not always, do something that advances or changes the RNG. So you will need to set the seed after that package is loaded if you want reproducibility.
> 
> As Bill Dunlap points out, parallel can introduce much more complicated issues. If you are in fact using parallel then we really need a new thread with a better subject line, and the discussion will get much messier.
> 
> The short answer is that, yes you should be able to get reproducible results with parallel computing. If you cannot then you are almost certainly doing something wrong. To publish you really must have reproducible results.
> 
> In the example that Bill gave, I think the problem is that set.seed() only resets the seed in the main thread, the nodes continue to operate with unreset RNG. To demonstrate this to yourself you can do
> 
> library(parallel)
> cl <- parallel::makeCluster(3)
> parallel::clusterCall(cl, function()set.seed(100))
> parallel::clusterCall(cl, function()RNGkind())
> parallel::clusterCall(cl, function()runif(2)) # similar result from all nodes
>                                               # [1] 0.3077661 0.2576725
> 
> However, do *NOT* do that in real work. You will be getting the same RNG stream from each node. If you are using random numbers and parallel you need to read a lot more, and probably consider a variant of the "L'Ecuyer" generator or something designed for parallel computing.
> 
> One special point I will mention because it does not seem to be widely
> appreciated: the number of nodes affects the random stream, so recording the number of compute nodes along with the RNG and seed information is important for reproducible results. This has the unfortunate consequence that an experiment cannot be reproduced on a larger cluster. (If anyone knows differently I would very much like to hear.)
> 
> Paul Gilbert
> 
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > For some odd reason when running naïve bayes, k-NN, etc., I get slightly
> > different results (e.g., error rates, classification probabilities) from
> > run
> > to run even though I am using the same random seed.
> >
> > Nothing else (input-wise) is changing, but my results are somewhat
> > different
> > from run to run.  The only randomness should be in the partitioning, and I
> > have set the seed before this point.
> >
> > My question simply is:  should the location of the set.seed command matter,
> > provided that it is applied before any commands which involve randomness
> > (such as partitioning)?
> >
> > If you need to see the code, it is below:
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > A.      Separate the original (in-sample) data from the new (out-of-sample)
> > data.  Set a random seed.
> >
> >> InvestTech <- as.data.frame(InvestTechRevised)
> >> outOfSample <- InvestTech[5001:nrow(InvestTech), ]
> >> InvestTech <- InvestTech[1:5000, ]
> >> set.seed(654321)
> >
> > B.      Install and load the caret, ggplot2 and e1071 packages.
> >
> >> install.packages(“caret”)
> >> install.packages(“ggplot2”)
> >> install.packages(“e1071”)
> >> library(caret)
> >> library(ggplot2)
> >> library(e1071)
> >
> > C.      Bin the predictor variables with approximately equal counts using
> > the cut_number function from the ggplot2 package.  We will use 20 bins.
> >
> >> InvestTech[, 1] <- cut_number(InvestTech[, 1], n = 20)
> >> InvestTech[, 2] <- cut_number(InvestTech[, 2], n = 20)
> >> outOfSample[, 1] <- cut_number(outOfSample[, 1], n = 20)
> >> outOfSample[, 2] <- cut_number(outOfSample[, 2], n = 20)
> >
> > D.      Partition the original (in-sample) data into 60% training and 40%
> > validation sets.
> >
> >> n <- nrow(InvestTech)
> >> train <- sample(1:n, size = 0.6 * n, replace = FALSE)
> >> InvestTechTrain <- InvestTech[train, ]
> >> InvestTechVal <- InvestTech[-train, ]
> >
> > E.      Use the naiveBayes function in the e1071 package to fit the model.
> >
> >> model <- naiveBayes(`Purchase (1=yes, 0=no)` ~ ., data = InvestTechTrain)
> >> prob <- predict(model, newdata = InvestTechVal, type = “raw”)
> >> pred <- ifelse(prob[, 2] >= 0.3, 1, 0)
> >
> > F.      Use the confusionMatrix function in the caret package to output the
> > confusion matrix.
> >
> >> confMtr <- confusionMatrix(pred,unlist(InvestTechVal[, 3]),mode =
> > “everything”, positive = “1”)
> >> accuracy <- confMtr$overall[1]
> >> valError <- 1 – accuracy
> >> confMtr
> >
> > G.      Classify the 18 new (out-of-sample) readers using the following
> > code.
> >> prob <- predict(model, newdata = outOfSample, type = “raw”)
> >> pred <- ifelse(prob[, 2] >= 0.3, 1, 0)
> >> cbind(pred, prob, outOfSample[, -3])
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> If your computations involve the parallel package then set.seed(seed)
> may not produce repeatable results.  E.g.,
> 
> > cl <- parallel::makeCluster(3)  # Create cluster with 3 nodes on local
> host
> > set.seed(100); runif(2)
> [1] 0.3077661 0.2576725
> > parallel::parSapply(cl, 101:103, function(i)runif(2, i, i+1))
>         [,1]     [,2]     [,3]
> [1,] 101.7779 102.5308 103.3459
> [2,] 101.8128 102.6114 103.9102
> >
> > set.seed(100); runif(2)
> [1] 0.3077661 0.2576725
> > parallel::parSapply(cl, 101:103, function(i)runif(2, i, i+1))
>         [,1]     [,2]     [,3]
> [1,] 101.1628 102.9643 103.2684
> [2,] 101.9205 102.6937 103.7907
> 
> 
> Bill Dunlap
> TIBCO Software
> wdunlap tibco.com